used and the issue festers. well, i wish we could end on a more on the histic -- optimistic note, but please join me in thanking our panelists. >> more, now, from the fdic. this panel, moderated by cnbc's john harwood, examines challenges facing small businesses. this is an hour, 25 minutes. >> we're going to keep this discussion going. we're going to get down in the weeds on some of these issues and figure out what some of the solutions are given the problems with lending and bank standards that we talked about. got a big panel, let me introduce all of them. first of all, don graves, deputy assistant secretary of the u.s. department of treasury. we are, we're keeping some mystery around the panel. they're hiding op -- on the other side of the wall. there's going to be eight of them, so we've got to get chairs for everybody. if i could sing and dance, i would be doing that at the moment. all right, everybody's coming out. don graves, deputy assistant secretary of the treasury. steven submits, associate administrator with the small business administration. rebecca rainy, chairman and ceo of the central bank of to do, anthony lowe from the federal deposit insurance corporation, john harr