i am not opposed to the entertainment use, i'm opposed to what is an obvious effort to intensify that use the conditional use proceeding. masonic fully intends to intensify the entertainment use by increasing the number of live entertainment events held there, in particular large, nighttime entertainment events as well as increasing alcohol service over what has historically been the case. masonic seats a conditional use authorization to hold an average of 68 events per year with no limit the type, size, and time of duration among other things. the planning commission does not have the legal authority to grant a conditional use authorization as requested by masonic and recommended by the planning department. contrary to what was said earlier today, there are limits imposed by the state on the number, size and type of events. the applicable law in california requires a conditional use authorization ensures the entertainment events at the masonic are the same or similar types as those that occurred during 1958 when it was built and 1968, when masonic's previous use became non- conformin

he claims his client is seeking a conditional use to operate at masonic as it historically has as no enlargement. the review of the application reveals that is not correct. there is no evidence -- even for sold out, maximum capacity shows. all records suggest a maximum of two bars. no evidence was offered at five bars was a historical average at the masonic and he admitted under cross-examination he did not know the exact number of bars that any show. there is no basis to authorize any more than two bars. there's never been a permanent liquor license for the masonic presence. to issue a conditional use for liquor license and there never had been one of would be an intensification of use. the masonic has only had one day daily licenses, when they catering permits or temporary permits. in the letter, certain temporary permits are referenced since 2010. those are temporary in nature and not a type 47, as he indicates. its five permanent license, nor does it create a right to a permanent license. these were issued only after the city issued a conditional use permit in march of 2010 and we

to us. it is important for the city to see that a mixed use development on a small-scale that includes entertainment, residential, restaurant, and commercial uses can be built successfully and that all the uses can coexist in one building. we will be happy to take any questions you might have. commisioner joseph: just for clarification for our new commissioner and the rest of the commissioners in the audience, this is the location of the former rawhide. this was a business for umpteen years. >> at least 35 years. commisioner joseph: it is the application's -- applicant's intend to reopen at that location. we don't have enough information about what the intended use is. and what the configuration is going to look like. the intention is there. to do that. >> it will be presidential, a rooftop garden, a 100 seat restaurant, and an entertainment venue in the 400 persons size. commisioner joseph: ok. so is mine understanding that by granting a conditional grant with possibly some extra conditions on it

the project is unknown to the majority of us. and i think that makes it very difficult to support one way or the other, while what we're doing today is not going to approve the project. it has little or nothing to do with the project. we still have all the possibilities to basically not like the project. that still was in the credit of of this commission. so there are a couple of other commissioners, and i will listen more. commissioner sugaya: i guess, for me, it is a matter of context. did the project proposal that asked for rezoning further south on the embarcadero, and this one, i think, are quite different, in my view.

but the goal is to basically have a variety of mechanisms that allow us to build this collection. one of the joys of this process is realizing just what's out there. there are many things that you want, that you hope to find, but you're convinced you're never going to find it. right here we're looking at two artifacts that i was convinced didn't exist. these are materials that are related to harriet tubman, the great abolitionist and underground railroad conductor. you're looking at a shawl that was given to harriet tubman by queen victoria of england as a way to honor her resiliency and the work that she's done in terms of being a champion of freedom. and what i love is that not only did we get this from a collector, but he gave us this gospel hymnal that harriet tubman owned. what is powerful, when harriet tubman would go south often to alert the slave it was time to go, she would sing various hymnals, swing low sweet chariot, steal away jesus. harriet couldn't read but the fact that she carried this personal hymnal with her for a large part of her life was a very moving and powe

us. so, this basket was one of our earliest acquisitions. and this is a basket actually used to rescue people during katrina. so, what you've seen in many ways is a snapshot of the more than 15,000 objects that this museum has collected. and that these objects really are at the heart what if the smithsonian is, because even if you have the most amazing technology that's possible, it really is the artifact that really brings the public to the smithsonian. and so for us, the fact that we're able to find these wonderful materials give us the greatest of confidence that we were able to craft a museum on the one hand will tell great stories, will have wonderful artifacts, will be 18 great building, but more importantly we'll be able to create an institution that will allow the public to engage candidly over the issue that has divided us more than anything else, that is race. and so our job is not just to build a museum, our job is to build a structure that within it allows a conversation to occur that makes america better. >> you can watch american artifacts

supervisor mar: i will ask for ideas, if the property is not going to be used for surplus housing, what strategy do they have to raise the funds for the critical need. >> even hud will be holding a conference in d.c. to talk about housing. they recognize that there is such a need for lgbt housing. supervisor mar: thank you. next speaker. >> i have lived in the neighborhood for 35 years and hah hah heartily support the agenda item #1 of supervisor wiener. >supervisor mar: thank you. >> i am a neighbor and i've lived there for 30 years now. the spot we're talking about is a wonderful green area, the trees are gorgeous, and it would be great to retain some green space in san francisco. >> i am a resident, i have been there for 21 years. i worked on green pockets of wonderful areas and they are absolutely priceless. we can't replace a cold and beautiful trees with something new and the lesser when there is so little of the in the city. it is important to retain what we can and cannot get rid of things like these beautiful green spaces. and the neighbors, i work with the neighbors. it is a w

this is not just a business for us. it is a future for us. we have a lot of support to start the business legally. we spent a lot of time doing research and communicating with the neighbors. that has added to our project. thank you. >> your time is up. president fong: thank you very much. >> thank you for your time. commissioner antonini: i think in the music man, the opposition was to pool not, to billiards. i guess they made a distinction. anyway. i live not far from here. i am very familiar with the area. i will agree that the parking on fairfield is problematic. let us allow the 27-and 11 -- the 7-eleven what this fall,-- lot is full, it is hard to get out of there. it gets a little congested there. i know there was mention of 11 vacancies on ocean avenue. i am sure there are. regrettably, there was just an ocean avenue place that was very promising for a year and a half, and unfortunately they closed. that was one of the best in establishments on the street. we need more neighborhood- service establishments there during the day that would

a lot of trees there and is mixed use. what we decided to do is there will be to side-by-side adjoining residential units that will face onto the street and have a garage onto the street. there will be an emergency exit that will be alarmed to have an exiting for the entertainment venue. it will never be used as an exit other than emergency. the front will have two exits and i have pictures if you would like to see them. all the residential -- entertainment usage and the restaurant usage will enter and exit onto seventh street. i want to make a few statements about this. i'm going to ask that we approve this. some of the reasons are i feel that in soma, it is a former entertainment capital that has lost a lot of its businesses. i have been doing work in that area. one of the things that many of the businesses have talked about is the fact that two years is often not soon enough for an entertainment venue to open, get its money together and to continue to lose these permits has destroyed the neighborhood and the vibrancy. we

he has something to say to each one of us. it is powerful for us to listen to it. that is why i am going to ask you to turn with me to rahman iii -- roman iii. the scripture is what we call the constitution of our faith. it is the constitution, just like the american constitution is a constitution of our nation, it lays out for us what this nation is about and what this nation will accomplish. the book of romance does the same thing in the word of god. it rose -- it lays out for us what our faith is about. turn to 23. this tells us something about ourselves. it says, this righteousness from god comes through faith in jesus christ to all who believe in jesus christ. there is no difference, for all have sinned. that is every person. remember, going back to genesis i, that was the creator. he created heaven and earth, but that means that he created everything in the earth, as well. that is all of us. all of mankind. when we talk about all, that is all of mankind. let us go back to that. there is the difference, for all have since. let me ask you, who in the service cou

i believe that presidents' day is february 20, so there is no land use meeting. ould be the following meeting, which is february 27. can we take the amendments without objection, colleagues? thank you. without objection, we will continue this until the meeting of february 27. supervisor chiu: 1 comment. i know there are where a couple public comments are in the recent issues happening in the arts commission. many of us have been concerned about the situation, and we hope that there are changes to how the arts commission is managing itself to move that forward. but this is not legislation about whether or not we helping the arts commission or not. this is really legislation about the requirement of developers of using 1% of their project costs to spend on cards. right now, the law says that that money needs to be spent on on-site art, usually in the lobby way of these public buildings. this legislation is about loosening those requirements so that money can be spent on community-based art programs within the city, project early in the downtown area. i just want to

us. but this matter is before us and for me, the overarching issue is the question of whether or not at&t has made its case, whether or not at&t has demonstrated and the evidence supports a finding that this is necessary and desirable. if the conditional use is not granted, is rejected, at&t would have to appeal that and make a showing that in fact there was substantial evidence that in fact there was necessity and desirability here. i don't believe that based on just what has been presented to us by the planning commission, based on the additional evidence that has come from the appellants, including evidence from their expert as well as the evidence from at&t, that a case of necessity has been made. i believe it still remains to be seen whether or not the location of these antennas is truly necessary. i don't believe that the evidence supports that finding at this point. the statements that i see from the planning commission in my opinion, you know, with all due respect to planning, those statements are conclusory statements. there isn't enough evidence to actually justify them. there i

mean less wars but rather wars of a different shape shape that was outlined to us this morning the us is already fighting this new kind of warfare on multiple fronts in different countries with the use of air force with the use of drones levy is one example the whole country was destroyed mainly from air pakistan is another example not not a successful one though people in pakistan are infuriated by u.s. strikes we end up killing many civilians and as it happened recently their own pakistani soldiers over washington said the strike was a tragic mistake the u.s. will have to do a lot of damage control work to help the pakistani leadership overcome the humiliation so although the u.s. administration looks at the old strategy of ground wars is passe and irrelevant in this day and age yet it's not clear what result the new strategy will bring. well as it will hold water. the world the crew of the. coalition are going to be with us this is a very extensive the details are still coming through to what we've heard some of the details what will it have on america's military. as you think first o

the infrom structure use is more -- infrastructure use is more efficient. parking space is not so expensive when you park a car. you can park where you park a bike and you can park eight bicycles in the space of one car. when it comes to health, in-- it increases the life expectancy. you can live longer, three years longer when you cycle every day to work, to school, to shops when you use the bicycle more often and that longer life is spent in better health. it makes you live in better health for more than 10 years. and it also reduces the diseases like obeesty and the heart diseases, the most obvious ones and what struck me is alzheimer's disease that comes later or doesn't come when you cycle a lot. it keeps your brain fresh and going, i guess. and what also is very important that work absenteism is reduced for people that use the bike more often. as it comes to lifestyle, of course we also have lifestyle. cycling in the netherlands is not so much a lifestyle as it is here in the u.s. but cycling offers more joy and happiness, less traffic noise, cleaner a

what the government can do for us is take a step back and let us do what we do best. that is the great opportunity. >> i do not think there is a thing i can add to that. [applause] >> thank you, governor, for joining us. i will wrap this up in the next few minutes. at 7:00, there will be all party that starts behind you. you have real warmers with that virginia natural gas. please join the fantastic shakers at 7:00 right behind us. america, we find ourselves of the crossroads one more time. this is the most important election in our lifetime. it is an amazing opportunity for us to gather the strength to preserve the great republic by moving as back towards capitalism and a further and further away from socialism. we've got to do it. and this is the year to get done. we are going to give the governor three minutes to close, and as he starts his close, i want him to answer one question as it relates to i-73. i-73, which connects six states together and gives us an opportunity to see an economic boon that would go from the coast of south carolina into the great mountains

us to do that. we will continue to come back to you. each time there is a budget issue before us, and the purchasing equipment -- it will come back to the board. we are not asking for carte blanche here. you will see us many times over the next three, four years on this particular project. supervisor chu: thank you. why don't we open up for public comment. is there anyone from the public that would like to comment on this item? >> chief technology officer with the department of technology. i just wanted to make a brief comment about our role in terms of scoiurt. this describes the level of river that dt will have in this effort. ddt possesses a lot of the infrastructure technology, knowledge about many of these sites. we will be leveraging that. also, collaborating with motorola in some of the design and back and efforts. supervisor chu: next speaker please. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is douglas yepp. as a concept, i am in support of this resolution. with the disclosure of no funding source, at least in my opinion, it is like putting up a skysc

if there is an area with a multitude of income levels and uses, everyone should be welcome there. think this one is appropriate, and i don't feel that certain things should be this good from the neighborhood assembly because of the people that may live there. i think first of all, this particular project is relative to the eight adjacent buildings and it is modified not to shout of the parade ground. this project sponsor has been at this since march 9, 2005. they spend considerable amounts of money to pursue this project and was granted the prior zoning which was grandfathered provisions, part of eastern neighborhoods. specifically, a lot of the approval process was grounded in the fact that projects in progress should not be held to standards that are imposed later. this is why the project is as it is. their only eight units, they are two-bedroom units. some call that family size, but they are good size humans and that could accommodate a small family. the most glaring thing is the huge project adjacent, a very good project, but 194 units with 181 parking places and 40 valet parki

joining us is is ruby law from the asian american donor program and flower miller. he is donating and i try to explain to it folks. would you do it again? >> yes, definitely. i would definitely do it again. i'm waiting for a phone call to do it again. i feel lucky to have a chance to do it. it's so important to get registered and be willing to donate. a lot of people, think this situation that happened to us someone a friend or family member is going to be sick, but there is just that one person is going to help and might give you a chance to spend more time with your family. >> cheryl: the knist kyle's case is he is a bi-racial and how hard is it to find people? >> it's much harder for kyle's case. because you have to match the genetic time. if you are chinese person i most likely need a chinese donor so for kyle he is a chinese hsh caucasian mix so most donors will have to be mix. so it makes it more difficult. >> how easy is it able to donate? >> it's pretty easy. about 25% the doctors will recommend a donation, we'll give the general anesthesia and we ex practic

primarily it is people using places of entertainment at 10:00 p.m. or later. so, i hope that is helpful. >> [inaudible] >> the consequences of having a problem. if you are a promoter and you have a problem that requires the city to come, the consequences are that, possibly, it will be required for you to continue to operate as a promoter, you may have to get event insurance or a variety of other things that might be imposed. does that make sense? let's [inaudible] -- >> [inaudible] >> i am hopeful that in the next month or two we will do version 1.0. i am sure that we will get some bugs and we will fix it, doing 2.0. in a couple of months i want to push this to be raised, and it is very close. after today we might have to beef it up a little bit. >> [inaudible] [no audiojustify the actual dat? >> it is not going to be a listing of where someone is working. simply -- are they registered. it is your obligation to make sure that you are using someone who is registered. >> [inaudible] >> this is not for venues. this is for promoters. they all have to use registered

that there is no project without cvs, and cvs told us there is no project without a liquor license. as much as i do not want to see that site and the, and i understand the inconvenience it is causing many people, i really do not appreciate our neighborhood being held hostage in the name of corporate greed. the only reason they want a liquor license is to make more money. i strongly urge you to deny this conditional use. commissioner olague: thank you. is there additional public comment on this item? you can come to the microphone. >> i do not know if i know enough about the whole issue, but i do approve of the project. i think it is that it to have something there than not have something there. i think what i'm seeing is there's a lot of people that it is just too far for them to go to get what they need. i also think it is just dangerous to have a big, and the building -- and the building in the area. i feel a little bit more safe when there is something there. this was the liquor license. they have always sold liquor there, so i do not know exactly what t

facts must establish that the use of this property, the size and intensity contemplated is mesentery compatible with the neighborhood and the community. -- and necessary and compatible with the neighborhood and the community. what you're being asked to do by granting these people a conditional use permit is to write them a check. they won't have to pay impact fees and they won't have to provide affordable housing. since it is doesn't have the need for high and condominiums. -- have a need for high end condominiums. it will take about $2,000 a year to live in one of the condominiums proposed. it serves 45,007 francisco residents a year. not one single person could even remotely begin to contemplate living in one of those condominiums. and yet, the services that this organization provides are jeopardized by the development of this project. we ask you very strongly to deny the application for a conditional use permit. president miguel: [reading names] >> the purpose of me speaking today is to provide a clarification. we held an informational community meeting. that meeting was held on s

is improving. even though the facts tell us otherwise. part of daniels argument was the bogus idea that president obama is anti-business. >> contrary to the president's constant dispar acknowledgement of people in business, it's one of the nobliest of human pursuits. the late steve jobs, what a fitting name he had, created more of them than all those stimulus dollars the president borrowed and blew. >> come on, mitch, jump in the race we would love to have you. apple creates plenty of jobs, but not in america. an article in sunday's "new york times" reports apple employs 4 -- 4 #,000 people in the united states. 43,000. there are 700,000 people who manufacture apple products like ipads and iphones, and almost none of them work in the united states of america. meanwhile, the congressional budget office estimates the president's stimulus spending directly created or saved at least 1.4 million jobs, 32 1/2 time the number of apple jobs in the country you're in, the great u.s. of a. paul krugman points out obama's auto loan just by it self sav

really that we are continuing to rely -- if the department is continuing to rely on using these codes as their methodology by which crime is accounted for these two reports, those codes should be the exact same way for both reports. does that answer your question? commissioner turnan: i understand how we're coming up with different ones, but my question was how to get everyone to come together with one methodology. that is what i am talking about. has that dialogue begun? how do we do that is my real question. >> right now, some of the numbers are aggravated from three spots, and we will cut that down to a maximum of two, which gives us a 33% better chance of counting it right the first time, and for the rate in shootings, and i believe we added db to that, right? we are going to counter those individually prove we're going to take the mystery out of them, and we will have a single source for the most serious crimes, so we will get that right. there will be a single source. commissioner turman: does that match the way they are doing it? >> we are committed to getting it right, a

i am perfectly satisfied with what is in front of us. this is the office development authorization and the allocation. so, the design details are technically in front of us but of course they are part of a total motion. i am prepared to support this at this point. >> yes, let me continue. part of my reasoning or thought process was that i did not want again preservation to be blame for some kind of design manipulation that accommodates parking through a residential street. secondly, i think that having spent over 25 years and historic preservation and reviewed some any standards, projects and i think punching a hole in the eighth street elevation is absolutely no problem. we were the consultants to the ill-fated mills corp. development. in that project, they wanted to punch holes in the bald head buildings on embarcadero. their proposal was to do a series of 8-10 entranceways into their retail. that went to both the california state historic preservation office and to the park service. they allowed to upwards of four too six. those are wi

companies would be a wise move or to short a name to do some officials oppose russia whatever it does get us is for though that's most money i guess it is so we have to admit that what i hope we will get over it it's understandable is the european union needs russia geopolitically but the reverse is also true it's not a question but with the time has come to start cooperating and stop looking back at ideological differences yet again that is for the could russia switch supply east to china if brussels keeps up its hostility was that it's a known as it towards your informants of wishes in a situation where it could ship gas to china and all of asia and europe i hope brushed. never has to make a choice the russian government is evidently pro european but europe cannot keep pushing russia away it hurts russians pride and we have to keep in mind that while russia has the alternative of shipping to asia europe has no such alternative and europe's geopolitical position will only improve if it manages to enter a tiny hard to ship with russia on and at the same time grant all you a session to turkey th

i don't know what it is about brian, but all of us old ladies want to feed brian. usic] >> hi, my name is fred lein. i'm most proud of driving a ramp taxi since the beginning of the program in 1994. [music] >> fred, you are the absolute best! thank you fred for providing transportation for me and opening up my social life, and taking care of medical appointments, taking care of my mother [music] >> hi, my name is ann bailey and i've driven for luxor for almost five years now. i drove for desoto cab for 10 years prior to that. i drove in 1976 for the old, old yellow cab. this is frances mecchi and i've been driving her for about 11 or 12 years to her alzheimer's day program, which we call the memory club. every day when we drive through the presidio she'll say, "oh goody, you're taking me through the enchanted forest." [music] >> my name amr a.mahmoud. i am like 49 years old. i have been driving cab more than 13 year in general. then i drove a ramp more than 3 years. this is my fourth now. i have been enjoying doing the job. i like every moment of it. >> thank you am

the situation in front of us is not boding well for you to succeed. when you have people in the neighborhoods walking by and calling you by your first name as they see you, that is the best. you will not be just some anonymous people coming and parking a car in front of somebody's driveway, which is good to be a habit. it is the way you interact every day. -- which is going to be aggravating. it is the way you interact every day. start a dialogue and interaction. i am supportive, with the caveat that there is a community liaison, amanda your motion. commissioner borden: i accept that. commissioner moore: including the 12:00 and what other interactions between schools need to be done. comissiomer sugaya: just to follow up on that, we are including security and cameras and no alcohol. is that correct? do planning staff -- the liaison commissioner commissioner moore:oore mentioned -- the liaison commissioner moore mentioned is standard under conditional use. are there others that could be applied here? >> just standard procedures like cleaning the sidewal

indeed a success on many levels it showed the online activism is a force to be reckoned with and when you mess with something that we all use and love and don't want to lose which is the freedom of the internet people aren't going to sit on their couch and live in apathy and let it slide they'll sit on their couch and blackout websites or overload the websites of members of kong. i kid there's a lot more to it than just that but i do say good job everyone the entertainment industry is already pissed too and it's great hollywood moguls are now reportedly telling president obama that they're going to stop their donations to his campaign because of the administration's stand on sopa and pipa but they'll learn that they won't be able to buy influence forever and so let's hope that that's true let's make sure that's true by saying vigilant about sopa and pipa because while they haven't been voted on yet while sopa is been postponed they're not fully debt so don't like congress think that you're not looking anymore and then try to pass them on the sly but for what was achieved yesterday i think that it's a pretty big deal the mai

use. texas reporting is not required for residential use in mcp district, in respect of the transit-oriented nature of the district. -- accessory parking is not required for residential use in the district. staff believes the additional parking would incentivize travel by private vehicle over walking, biking, or using transit, and this would degrade the pedestrian environment. multiple policies within the general plan and specifically the martin and octavia area envision a variety of transportation, and discourages automobiles in a transit-rich neighborhood. staff has received one letter regarding the request. it came from the hayes valley neighborhood association. the letter reiterates support of the project, but is opposed to parking beyond the principle permitted levels in the code. staff recommends the commission does approve the request to modify the existing conditional use opposition to allow the additional seven tandem parking spaces. president fong: project sponsored? -- sponsored? -- sponsor? >> i am david baker, and i am very unhappy to be here, but i am. i would say i agree with

the problem is that the track record of the us and all governments. is such that giving them power to do one thing is almost always interpreted by themselves as a means of giving them power. so in the way that you know the raid on megaupload cards in this opens it shows that even without sober already in place they are already arresting and resting your load and shutting it down and in the future of the very near future. there will be a number of other groups that will pop up using more. military. and situation it's worse in the grass and smells of war and the notable civil war. over a million people have a now visited our web site r.t. dot com for more on software and pepper do join the masses and let us know your opinion on the two controversial bills and do take a look at what else is available for you twenty four hours a day at r.t. dot com. egyptian activists have been urging nationwide street protests saying their revolution is not over and the country is a long way from becoming democratic they want the downfall of egypt's supreme council of the

why it is the rest of us should suffer all of these very serious consequences in terms of the interruption to the structure of the internet in terms of the censorship of sites. and. how members of the arab league are gathering this weekend to hear a file were thwarted they expired observer mission to syria it's widely expected to condemn president bashar asad who has continued his crackdown on protesters despite promises to stop. the reports there's little doubt that the findings will be used to bolster calls for military intervention. people taking to the streets may look like a real force of power and indeed be one but not in syria protest has apparently failed to prove that months of bloodshed with no sign is going to stop anytime soon. how it hold jeff from the syrian national council the country's main official opposition body says making the people's voice louder and bring in an end to the violence is what the s.n.c. was created for our main goal is to help the syrian people there present them and their to national c

if there is anything that they are teaching us, it is to prevent ourselves from being victims.hat there is less problems for everybody and that we recognize that the greatest hassle is for us to be victims of circumstances that we could actually prevent. so, watching out for each other, working with our officers, knowing that there is a great captain at our local police station that has command of everybody here that is competent, can speak different languages, that can get to any signal that there is something that is wrong is going on. and then, most importantly, that we do celebrate this wonderful occasion in the most positive way with everybody. we want people to come into our city and come to chinatown. come into all the chinatowns in san francisco, including this great one here, and celebrate with us and be very positive about it and make sure there is no hesitation that our safety and the safety of everybody here is our number one concern. and we keep that as the highest priority. as to celebrate all the different divisions, we want to signal that we have a very close kn

it is to let us move forward with the site leases. and it then, the other question that i have gotten quite a bit is, how does this interact with the 800 mhz system? we have this 800 mhz system, which is adequate. it is old now, but it is adequate. and our first responders can talk to each other, but they cannot share data. it is an analog system. it is to the point that it will need to be upgraded to get us through the next five to 10 years. what we are asking for today, it is a vision out here, 5 to 10 years of, the 700 mhz system, which will be the public access system, dedicated system. at some point in the future, it will be combined. so the 800 mhz will fall right into the 700 mhz. it will not be 800 anymore, but what we used it for, the voice part. but that technology, you know, they're designing that right now. that does not even exist. i know there are engineers all over the country working on what that is going to look like. so we still need the 800 mhz right now for our first responders as we move forward with this new techn

by the way, another candidate once used caucus to his advantage. his name isnt barack obama. let's turn to joan walsh, editor at large, salon.com. msnbc political analyst, richard wolffe. great to have both of you with us tonight. let me ask you first. joan, is this an effective strategy? is this his best way to shake things up? the conventional wisdom is he's not going to get the nomination. >> well, yeah. i mean, i think it's an intriguing strategy, but it's also possible to kind of overstate the comparison with barack obama, ed, because obviously barack obama, one of the best things, smartest things his campaign did was organize in those caucus states. one of the dumbest things hillary clinton's campaign did was not take the caucuses seriously. i see why there's that comparison. on the other hand, obama had a great national organization. he had the love of the media. he had ted kennedy and mainstream figures. we don't want to go too far with that. it is a way for him to stay and be both a problem for romney, but also for the conservative wing. because if th