still with us is david sedney, former deputy assistant secretary of defense. and in new york, faiza patel, and shuja nawaz. what is pakistan doing about these tribal regions welcome what control or oversight do they have over there? >> they've been gradua gradually using control. the making people in that part of the country feeling like their' pakistanis 100%. they're treated under a very different set of laws. they're governed by the president through the governor, a neighboring province, and so they are excluded. in fact, in pakistan the area is referred to as the alien territory , or the foreign territory. so there is a disconnect between the area and pakistan proper, yet it is part of pakistan. i would like to go back to something that david said about it being a battle zone. i if that's the case, thi this is creating a legal issue similar to vietnam and cambodia, which was not part of the war zone, should u.s. forces be used when there should be some policing done. the problem will continue when the pakistanis are not capable nor have they shown the desir

still with us is david sedney, the former deputy secretary of defense. and face face and shuja nawaz of the atlantic council. mr. nuwaz, we're watching president obama meet with pakistani prime minister sharif. he is very opposed to the drone strikes, verbally out loud against them. what happens behind closed doors when these men meet versus what happens in public. >> i think reality sets in. i think it's really aimed at domestic audiences in pakistan. there has not been a substantive discussion of drones as far as i know by this government. there has been no u.s. ambassador in the united states from pakistan since the government took over. but prime minister sharif came in to this meeting as a very powerful civilian leader of pakistan, someone with a substantial civilian majority. he has yet to establish his control over the military, but his instincts are right. his instincts are also right in trying to build relationships to the east with india and to the west with afghanistan. he's bringing some very powerful tools to the conversation. i don't expect