also joining us is eliza krigman, of politico. >> guest: you mentioned there is 500 megahertz that is the goal for the president mobile broadband. we are not going to get better auctions in another way is through bring up government spectrum but it's been very hard to do that. broadband guru, blair levin suggests we should put our effort there and focus on sharing spectrum in other ways to reach that goal. do you think the government needs to be pressured more to free up their spectrum and how should the comp is that? >> guest: i think again we have to get into a real good fix whether it's being used for and some of those uses are pretty heavy users and you have to have sometimes of flying fowl to be used in emergency situations. but we all know how government works and are good -- how government bureaucracy works and our national security apparatus who is not shy on holding onto resources that they need and asking for resources. i am sure there is swaths of some spectrum that could be freed up. it really takes some intestinal fortitude to make that happen, to make that happen. people

also joining us is eliza krigman of politico. >> host: so you mentioned getting to 500 megahertz, the president's goal for repurposing spectrum for mobile broadband. we're not going to get through that the auctions, another way is through freeing up government spectrum, but it's been very hard to do that particularly with the 1755, blair brand says we should focus on sharing spectrum and other ways to free up that goal. how should we accomplish that? >> guest: yes. i think we have to get a real good fix on what it's being used for, and some of those uses are pretty heavy uses, and you have to have some times of lying foul and to be able to be used in emergency situations. but we all know how government works, and our government bureaucracy works, and we love our national security apparatus, but they're not shy this holding on to the resources that they need or asking or for resources. and there's no question in my mind, but i'm sure there is, there are sizable swaths of spectrum that could be freed up by that. it really takes some intestinal fortitude to make that happen and to make t