also with us is james melendres, a former special prosecutor, specializing in some of the justice department's highest profile cases through the years, including, notably, the case against david petraeus for mishandling classified information and lying to the fbi. and counselor, were you surprised at the amount of talk that the petraeus case received? i know you're probably relieved that there was that correction in the point of fact about where the evidence was found. >> brian, i wasn't surprised by it. there had been discussion about that case in comparison to the recommendations in the investigation of secretary clinton and her e-mail practices. and so i expected it. and the director, in my view, was exactly right in drawing the distinction between the two cases, namely that in the prosecution of david petraeus, there was significant and powerful evidence of intent or mens rea, which is something the director spoke about at length. in particular, the recorded conversations in which the cia director, former cia director petraeus, referred to the very high classification of the information he

is correct. >> all right. james melendres, former prosecutor at the department of justice, now in private practice. thanks for something on and explaining this a little bit for us. >> thank you very much. >> all right, i'm joined by hillary clinton supporter ellen taucher, former undersecretary of state for arms and affairs under secretary clinton and also a former member of congress. congresswoman taucher, nice to see you. >> hi, chuck, how are you? >> there was a scathing indictment of the state department in how it handles all this stuff, that the fbi director seemed to be shocked at how sloppy the entire department was. can you defend how the department handles this? >> well, i can tell you that when i was undersecretary, virtually everything i did was classified. and there was a lot of people that spend a lot of time during the day making sure that the two buckets are separated between classified and unclassified e-mails. the systems are virtually separate so that they really cannot co-join. but you know, i think that the lecture that fbi director comey gave today was one to make sure that people understood how seriously he was taking things. but i do thin