that of course is really a big question because we see some people around us like loch and maybe perhaps a number of you have done practices for many, many years and the question is, if you're able it change your brain in the moment, are you also changing your brain over time? that is really what a lot of our new research is looking at because one of the things we started out was, is the brain of somebody who is deeply spiritual, who has been doing these practices a long time different than somebody who is not spiritual or at least not doing some of these practices for a long time? there has been fascinating studies by both myself and few other investigators have shown just that, that the brains are actually different. then it is kind of the chicken in the egg, right? if the brain after experienced meditate tore is different than a non-meditate tore, is it different because they have been meditating 30 years or have they been always built that way? if we checked their brain out when they were five years old this is the person who is really going to get it? this is the person who ultimate