here you did something which made us look bad. so as a consequence of your bad behavior, maybe more boys had to die. maybe we had to work even harder. but i think it was because of the extreme circumstance of the time and the stakes were incredibly high that you did have a community that looked at these men as if they had, in fact, turned against their own community and had worked against those who had served and died. and that was the case. i know it's still a problem now. i have a friend who is a no no boy and he talks about how, even now, 60-something years later, there are people in the community who won't talk to him because he was a no no boy. but, again, it's through the lens of present day politics, how we've begun to look at the events and studied them that the resistors from heart mountain who were another group who on constitutional grounds contested being -- serving. they refused to serve, as opposed to the no no boys, who signed no no. the resistors actually went to federal prisons. they went to leavenworth. they are

for example, if you all said 10% seems unreasonable, that would make us look at how we bring something back to you later on. >> are we going to have that discussion later on today or now? >> you may have it whenever you would like to. this is certainly not your only chance to have a discussion. we can certainly talk about the capital program and what is affordable, but i am happy to answer anything now. >> i am less concerned with the actual percentage than i am that actual decisions -- whether the story be straightforward. whether we have ta clear explanation. what i fear it is a series of rate increases that have an erosive effect on people's confidence. after a few years, it becomes harder to explain that. i like what we did with the water and sewer rates a couple of years ago that said, here are the jobs that need to get done, i this is the cost. it was a clear set of projects. and the implementation of that stretch out over several years, but the story is straight forward. so i would be looking for that kind of structure. the decisions we ask, make ourselves, ask the ratepayers to

so i would like us to take a look at some patterns. in minnesota, for example, school start time changes were made in two cities, athena and minneapolis. minnesota, after their medical association issued a resolution based on research and say that puberty resets teenagers biological clocks. it is not that they are lazy. there is a biological clock that takes inside of their body. it is hard for them to get up in the morning. there were three years of data collected by the university of minnesota. what happened? ok. that showed that -- it showed very positive results. positive results because of the late start. they show improved attendance, an increase in continuous enrollment, less tardiness, and students make less trips to the nurses. that means that are actually getting healthier. -- that means they are actually getting healthier. there is a difference between the findings of a suburban district and an urban district. that is interesting. suburban districts reported better results than urban districts. urban teachers did not see any

there are issues that still bind us. look, we are all still affected by racism. affected by, you know, health, education, all of those things that do bind us, so whether focusing on the things that divide us, we have to make every effort to focus on the things that bring us together. >> if we're going to focus on anything, rather than focus on the divide within our community, the true divide comes when you juxtapose black middle class to white middle class. there is a huge gulf. >> that's where it is. i was reading an article and saying the black middle class in general makes $50,000 a year and i was thinking wow, the white middle class people i know probably make double that, you know. it's not the same, and no matter what class you are, when you walk into a room full of white people, they're going to look at you the same way. >> roy, you've written a lot about social issues over your years, as a journalist. what do you see most in terms of the changing attitude of the black middle class? >> well, i think the attitude change you see is in many ways a reflection o

spending for retailers and holiday shopping, and they will use this as a litmus test. >> and let us look james bridges is slowing down just a bit. on to the lower deck of the bay bridge. and still s but flowing relatively well. please stay with us. >> 150 health-care workers and two different nursing homes have began a five day protest. policies of the claim could endanger residents and hurt workers. piedmont gardens, a grand lake gardens could get fired for being out sec 5-days even more. even with a doctor's note. a spokesperson says they continue to have talks with the union and temporary work has been brought and with people that are on strike. two giant cranes, from the port of oakland, to the point of boston. each crane is the height of a 12 story building. to accommodate flight safety with the naval air station. in a service, through a boston. and boston needs it because their terminal is closed to the airport. >> a live look outside for more mount pam cam and looking into the bay sunny skies. and however, on the coastline some coast fog. and temperatures, a cool for the coastline

the treatment plant on the island would look to use a natural system. we will look at the different alternatives available and comparisons in the long term. >> what we have discussed here before is the collection system being primarily replaced by the developer, who will be responsible for the new treatment plant. >> will that be a dual system? >> the discussion has been that we would be looking [unintelligible] >> i can see, shaking his head. >> currently is a separated system. we have no intention to go into a combined system. it is very costly. with the mayor's office involved as a developer, that is not the intent. >> the climate change activities for treasure island is designed around the reuse of storm water and things on the island so it is a different view of the world. >> we are hoping to have a recycled water source from that plan on the island. the other benefits of the treatment plant upgrades, there will be a seismic upgrade to the system. we will also reduce adverse impacts that our treatment plants cause to neighbors. for instance, odors t

-- which paul allen -- one of the co-found, of microsoft. >> that's right. >> that will allow to us look for extra terrestrial signals 24 hours a day, seven day as week and currently we've only looked out at the 1,000 near stars in the galaxy of 200 billion stars. once it's completed assuming we get the private funding for it we'll be able to look out at the millions, over a decade. that is a tiny fraction of our entire gallon axe. >> do you want to get this on the conversation, dr. michael meyer? >> i'll repeat what has been said. and that is we are in an era of such paucity of information that the only real thing to do is a lot of visionary technologiologists. >> a final word from dr. pete err ward. >> i agee with seti, we got to keep looking. >> doctor michael meyer. >> we got to keep looking but looking on several different fronds are fronts and the universe is looking more and more interesting with the possibility of life going further back in time. >> you share both those view, do you not? >> i do. nasa's cepler mission will tell thus decade whether other earth exists. we'll know i

tonight on "a second look" we revisit the invention that brought us so much freedom, the automobile, but we start first with the history of an organization that has long been there whenever you left the lights on and need a tow. ktvu's bob mackenzie first brought us the story of "the triple ten years ago. >> reporter: those horseless carriages were mucking up the air and scaring the horses. of course you to be rich to own an automobile, which didn't add to their popularity with everyone else. as the second decade began, the auto owned the streets in san francisco and other big up toes, but it was still the rich who owned them. henry ford changed all of that. instead of making cars one at a time, the ford factory mass- produced them with an idea called osembly lines. each worker did the same job over and over, enabling the plant to crank out a new car every ten minutes. at last, regular folks could take to the roads, and in the roaring $20s, they did. charging up and down the streets of san francisco in an exhilarating triumphant of machinery over topography. but outside city limits t

let us take a look at video. there is massive police response. appened while police were serving a police warrant and jonathan blum shows us what happened using the google maps. >> here on google earth, you can see where the shooter was happening he was we on this territory in fremont and the shooting was of. east oakland. he was serving a search warrant. here's a closer look, one block east of bancroft in a residential area of this is the house for happened. police came to serve the warrant any came out, shooting! he came out firing, and then ran, and a ststrike in oofficer, and succeeded by carjacking this second officer and a witness heard three witnesses. and then he drove off in a green card and an unknown direction. now, a manhunt, green car. they've spent hours trying to find the suspect will bumofficer was treated and shocks to the pelvic-crime area. jonathan blum. >> the of latest on the fifth officer. >> this surgeon operated on the double gunshot wound, keeping a close eye on his condition. >> his injuries were quite serious, life-threa

using uv 4 disinfection. some nearby examples -- vallejo, a small city in the pacifica. we are also looking at a novel this infection process known as pasteurization. this is still in the embryonic stage. the idea is to take the hot exhaust denigrated from the plant's energy recovery process, and use it to pass your eyes. similar process to new pasteurization. the issue is if we can make it efficient. we are developing, with the inventor, a pprototype. next is the process for new trade recovery. -- nutrient recovery. hoss perce and ammonium nitrogen can be recovered -- phosphorus and ammonium nitrogen can be recovered to be used as a high grade fertilizer. in the corner is a photograph of what it may look like. this actually causes problems. it can cause maintenance problems. so this process would eliminate that process for us. if we go with this process, it would be even more feasible. ammonium nitrogen and phosphorous concentrations would be much higher in the hour cycle streams. now some words of caution when we consider these new technologies. we need to understand what risks are involv

administration to do everything we can to reduce the likelihood of the use of nuclear weapons again let's round off this interview with a look to the future if we can so that the countries of the world's two largest nuclear arsenals russia and us have been cutting them down for the last two decades now and very far from the high levels of the cold war as we know but how much further do you think they will go on crucially i guess how active do you think other countries are going to be in bringing in the same process. well i'm very encouraged by the fact that we have a new start treaty that we negotiated with the russians i think it's absolutely incumbent upon both of our countries since we have some ninety five percent of the world's nuclear weapons to do what we can systematically and with mutual confidence to reduce the numbers i don't think we can expect other countries to divest themselves of their weapons when they have only a few hundred when we still have thousands so hopefully as the president here is said there will be follow on negotiations after we ratify the new start treaty with russia to reduce further and to ac

recently established, it would be great if it became a two-way street not just a one-way street and us looking out for the school district but the school district coming out and looking out for us. there has been that participation from the school district lately but hope it continues on to the future. there's been a very high frustration, especially including myself and within our community over the s.i.g. no information has been uniform, basically we hear what the state is saying. we also heard what was said by the u.s. deputy as well which didn't correlate at all with the state and that's how i guess a lot of these changes have come about. also, these children are bilingual. i'm not just speaking of the children of a latin origin but speak of albie lingual children. the testing be some way reformed to be where they can be tested in their language as well and see what their competency is. we can take a naturalization test. we can take a driver's license test, an i.d., a business app, etc., in other languages. i'm almost done, i'm sorry. i know my time is up. also, we have to have a clear vis

calls for cooler conditions by saturday from that trough to the north of us and then summertime returns to the bay area by monday. eh lookat this. jewels played along with us, she sent us her favorite mypix. we want to see your pictures at cbs5.com. we'll be right back. . >>> pinpoint weather is sponsored by mancini sleepworld. we invite you to sleep easy during our truck load mattress sale. ,,,,,,,,,, [ female announcer ] get to the jcpenney back to school sale this friday and saturday! don't miss big savings on the biggest looks for the season! save big with night and day doorbusters. get big savings with $3.99 juniors' arizona camis,.... ....60% off guys' jeans from avirex and southpole,... ...and $9.99 total girl skinny jeans. plus, get on-the-spot savings... with jcp cash -- ten dollars off when you spend fifty. unlike other stores, we don't make you... ...come back to save! go to jcp.com to see everything on sale. new look. new year. who knew! jcpenney. it's a belief in everything we do. it's a 5 year, 50,000 mile promise. with complimentary scheduled maintenance no-cost replacement of wear and tear items and 24/7

used elsewhere. in florida police looked for the owner of an illegally dumped boat by searching nearby serenas with googleth. here they found a suspected marijuana field. >> google ha become the eye in the sky. it's very useful for us when we're looking down at the earth and maybe getting directions or trying to imagine what a far off place looks like. >> but what has privacy advocates worrieds the idea of the government, big brother, using the tool to lo into your backyard. >> wen private companies collect this infortion, when they reuse it or sell it, for example, i think you run into a different set of issues. there the law is not so clear. >> the supreme court has ruled that aerial photographer of your backya is legal. there's no expectation of privacy in areas visib from above. and google says google earth is built from information that's available from a broad range of both commercial and public sources. the same information is available to anyone who buys it from these widely available public sources. >> we can make this easy. >> but this ad for tax amnesty in pennsylvani shows the fear of governmt

they are nothing other than annoyances, but they make us look bad. no question. it is complicated. [applause] president marshall: thank you. >> so we have a little more work to do. thank you very much. commissioner dejesus: thank you very much for working on this and hopefully we can continue to move forward on this. >> so we can take public comment on this item now. president marshall: how many people want to speak on this item? ok. if it is not too many, can we say two minutes? let's make it two minutes. i appreciate that. thank you very much. >> good evening, supervisor. a couple weeks ago we sent a letter to the building of inspections. in that particular instance, electricity was being taken from the grid which is a actual criminal violation of the penal code. there was also a concern about safety. that is an investigation that is ongoing from the department. we want the commissioners to be ongoing from the department. we want the commissioners to be aware, what happened with staff level. this is an issue of concern to neighborhoods. whether it is for medicinal purposes, steal

millbrae low to mid-70s for the rest of us. look at the cool colors along the coast. 50s for you. downtown south san francisco, sausito in the low to mid-60s. 72 san rafael. mid to upper 70ss north bay valleys. mid-90s ukia and clear lake. east bay, richmond, berkeley, oakland slower. sunshine, a little breeze. low mid-70s elsewhere and the warmest weaer the east bay valleys where we hit the mid to upper 80s. 90 antioch and brendwood. morgan hill, gilroy mid-60s most of the monterebay. you can see the triple digits chico, palm springs. nice 80 in tahoe. one last stop bring it home for the a's. playing the royals at th coliseum, 7:05. becomi cloudy during the game and dropping to 60. seven-day forecast, drop 2 to 4 degrees just about everywhere tomorrow and inland around the bay another 2 to 4 degrees on thursday. lows will struggle into the upper 70s to low 80s inland through saturday. near 70 around the bay and mid-50s with cloudiness over the coast. >> thanks, mike. our normal summer weather pattern. want you to take a look at the list of cars that thieves like the

us. i'm brent cannon. >> i'm laura garcia-cannon. tuesday, august 10th. rob mayeda has a first look at our forecast. good morning. >> we actually got into the 80s yesterday, and in some places that felt hot, given how mild things have been lately. the morning starting off the same way. 50s outside, lots of low clouds, drizzle. temperatures ranging from the mid 80s out by livermore. 78 san jose. still in the 60s around san francisco and oakland. seven-day forecast shows, as we head towards the weekend, temperatures actually warming up. starting to look more like august just in time for saturday and sunday. >>> we also want to take a first peek at your morning commute. felipe in again for mike. >> good morning, folks. here is an overnight look at the traffic. a couple closures due to construction northbound 101. peninsula avenue off-ramp is closed until about 6:00 a.m. 580 eastbound and westbound, the belham road is closed due to construction until 6:00 a.m. >>> san jose council will vote today on a plan that could have the state paying for part of your house of dreams. san jose is trying to take adva

there is a view in the us that the atomic bombing was necessary because it forced japan and subdue and bring the u.s. troops home alive unarmed or was that a dangerous logic there look would ever be used to lead the u.s. to the use of a weapon of mass destruction again in the future. i'm not sure i got the question sorry we're going to get it it's day the logic that was used to. make your pants a subject of thought that was used then could that ever be used again is it a dangerous logic could it be used in modern day times yes ever permit the u.s. in its mind to be able to use a map and a weapon of mass destruction again this day in age. yes the logic the rationale i should say behind the bombing of hiroshima and as i made out of dresner earlier that is to say that it's supposedly to to britain to do to bring about to bring the enemy convince the enemy to surrender or to bring about some other worthwhile objective has been used time and time again i mean in recent years a lot of countries had been bombed from iraq to serbia and for places like sudan and libya and each time we have been told that it was for a worthwhile purpose that it was worthwhile to to kill thous

what we get to do a lot here, and there are certainly big issues today, but this is something all of us look forward to. we are very exciting to have you do tonight's game and hopefully for the next 20 years and beyond, so i would like to call of my colleague, supervisor elsbernd, who is wearing a great tie today. supervisor elsbernd: i was reluctant to sign on to this resolution, particularly with you and another, because there is something here that said, "to sean, a future giant." they got the autograph, and they have been waiting and waiting, and i am still waiting. it is great to have you here. for so many giants fans. i hope you are around for another two decades. think you for all you do for the city and for all of our giants fans -- thank you. [applause] >> we would like to bring our families up, if we could? my wife, my son, and his son. [applause] first of all, supervisor dufty, thank you for your support, and all supervisors, i thank you for your votes. you have your colors on today. i appreciate that. this is a great honor for my partner and i because we of all been as players fi

and first, let us take a look of the fog tracker for tomorrow.ell inland, separate and much bay area wide is covered in that fog. and through that bay area, it is lingering to the north bay in tempters warming on the cool side. and pressing back to the coast, you can see that it is hanging on ocean beach, and daly city. perhaps some breaks of sunshine, with mountain view. and temperatures are going to be on the cooler side. and 61 degrees in half moon bay. and the same inland. upper 70's, low 80s, and a mix of 60s, 70's from the bay shore. to take a look at the kron 4 7 day around the bay it was the foggy and coal and a slight warm-up on a thursday and friday. a chance of even a higher warm-up in u.k. posted as we get closer. >> and a ban on toys and restaurants goes into effect today. they're hoping that it will tructo start a trend, and a clara county is the banning the amount of toys inside children's meals. to stop encouraging kids from and healthy foods. >> the main goal is to have these chain restaurants lower the amount of calories that ar

all the way to the mid 90's by tuesday. >> yes, the seven-day, it is looking ha kron 4 7 day around the bay at and enjoy those. and let usse happening abroad the bay. with the outside lands festival and if you do not like crowds? you should avoid it. and also, the 17th annual filipino festival at 11:00 a.m., food, dancing, music, and the fourth street/mission district. >> and also, the san jose jazz festival, and very nice event, at least 10 fa >> and all morning, we've been hearing about these flying rocks and a problems. let us check-in mchenry. >> and they are angry! this is a fun, angry group. we will see why these guys have created an open flying machine and how they barely made it. coming up on kron 4 news this weekend. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> animals of aviation this could be the epitome of out standing aviation. yes, it is the annual flutag sponsored by rebed ifbull and remarkably, the aviators have developed these machines. with human powered flight. let me introduce you to the local team that is been participating next weekend. this is the team called the flying rocks. >> if using this machine and i am looking at the back of

us. you just look like you are in denial, and it goes back to the media? -- how come the message is not getting out? the only time you are invited is to say you're not terrorists. we were also called part of the wahhabi lobby. we're not lobbying anything. we're here to educate people about who we are.

is recognizable you can see like maybe a child's boot a bicycle and if you take a look over behind us look at what has happened here it's absolutely awful nothing is standing it's it's practically a wasteland on here and you can see the have a small boat has made its way to the capital and that's just one example of how when you get forces together it's hard to battle and you have this excessive heat which they're expecting to continue to rise is that as a matter of meteorologists are predicting that we're going to see temperatures hit thirty eight degrees celsius not fun and we're not and there is no rain in the forecast so firefighters have an extreme battle ahead of them. reporting there for a regional airports across the capital of regular service out of the heaviest small city today the poor conditions of the passengers was visibility for the dozens of flights grounded well more than forty planes had to be going through to bring regions too close to sort of a small. group for at least three days. it's been a day of remembrance in japan for the victims of the deadliest bomb blast in hu

millbrae low to mid-70s for the rest of us. look at the cool colors along the coast. 50s for you. downtown south san francisco, sausalito in the low to mid-60s. 72 san rafael. mid to upper 70ss north bay valleys. mid-90s ukiah and clear lake. east bay, richmond, berkeley, oakland slower. sunshine, a little breeze. low mid-70s elsewhere and the warmest weather the east bay valleys where we hit the mid to upper 80s. 90 antioch and brendwood. morgan hill, gilroy mid-60s most of the monterey bay. you can see the triple digits chico, palm springs. nice 80 in tahoe. one last stop bring it home for the a's. playing the royals at the coliseum, 7:05. becoming cloudy during the game and dropping to 60. seven-day forecast, drop 2 to 4 degrees just about everywhere tomorrow and inland around the bay another 2 to 4 degrees on thursday. lows will struggle into the upper 70s to low 80s inland through saturday. near 70 around the bay and mid-50s with a cloudiness over the coast. >> thanks, mike. our normal summer weather pattern. want you to take a look at the list of cars that thiev

is recognizable you can see like maybe a child's boot a bicycle and if you take a look over behind us look at what has happened here it's absolutely awful nothing is standing it's it's practically a wasteland out here and you can see the have a small that has made its way to the capital and this just one example of how when you get forces together it's hard to battle and you have this excessive heat which they're expecting to continue to rise is that as a matter of fact meteorologists are predicting that we're going to see temperatures hit thirty eight degrees celsius not fun and we're not and there is no rain in the forecast so firefighters have an extreme battle ahead of them are two states reporting from one of the most affected areas in the moscow region the airports in the capital are getting back on track as the blanket of fog that's been wrapped around the capital has finally started listing of course hours of delays for passengers after planes have to be diverted raising oceanus of the country's biggest airport. that posts occur in the operating according to the shadow but we canno

recognizable you can see like maybe a child's buddha a bicycle and if you take a look over behind us look at what has happened here it's absolutely awful nothing is standing it's it's practically a wasteland out here you can feel the have a small that has made its way to the capital and that's just one example of how when you get forces together it's hard to battle and you have this excessive heat which they're expecting to continue to rise is that as a matter of fact meteorologists are predicting that we're going to see temperatures hit thirty eight degrees celsius. and we're not and there is no rain in the forecast so firefighters have an extreme battle ahead of them. reporting in from the most region. in moscow getting back on track no tonight that blanket a small group in the capital is finally started listing. the weather conditions cause i was in delays for passengers as visibility plunged to below the norm earlier on the more than forty planes to be diverted from moscow to reports from neighboring regions. it's been a day of remembrance in japan for the victims of the deadliest bom

. >> let us look at high tech news again. cisco systems posted a bleak outlook for the rest of this year. how did that go down? >> you willee the stock under heavy pressure. with that, use the technology stocks doing a little worse than the broader market. the hot water was not that bad. five quarters in a row, cisco managed an increase in revenue profit by almost 80%. but the outlook that you mentioned, the ceo talking about the very high uncertainty regarding the economic environment -- is that comment that isputting a lot of pressure on the sto and other big tech names on wall street. >> there is fresh economic data out on jobs today. what was that all about? >> those weekly numbers -- the situation in the american labor market got a little worse. that is increasing pressure on wall street. there are not as big losses as we saw on wednesday. still, third day in a row, wall street is losing. we are roughly down by 350 points. >> thank you very much for that update. here in europe, investors focused on u.s. jobs data, showin

we can ask the folks around us and members of the community to be able to take a look seriously as tooula tinas need to be represented in our surroundings. we know from our journey that the part of what moved us was about, you know, looking around and seeing who is where and how many of us are there. and part of that evaluation helped us determine it was important to take a look at the work others were doing, like the latina coalition, the alliance but la academia would bring right into town or right in town a way of being able to train folks, to prepare them to start thinking of possibilities in the future. >> all right. because it's right around the corner, becoming the majority. information if you would like to get a hold of these folks. we'll be back to get a phone number after these messages. and see if, in fact, we are ready to take over or if there's still a long road ahead. stay with us. >>> we mentioned we're going to become the majority in the near future. are we ready for that, or do we have a ways to go? >> demographically we'll be the majority. politically will we be the

. >> we wear them because they make us look cool. we also wear shades so we can protect our eyes and improve our vision on bright sunny days. and a lot of folks wear polarized sunglasses. >> polarized sunglasses has specially lamb nateed surfaces containing vertically oriented stripes. >> reporter: here is how it works. those vertical stripes allow vertical light rays to pass through, but they block out any horizontal light rays, the kind that we see coming off say roadways or water. >> it blocks the horizontal rays which will result in a reduction in annoying glare and sometimes dangerous glare. >> reporter: >> the specially lamb nationalled surface is microscopic. you can't see anything different when you look at them but when you look through them you are looking through a horizontal light filter. the effect can be kind of dramatic. >> people say well i don't like polarized sunglasses because it kind of makes it look like 3d or dizzy or. >> there is a small percentage of people that do get nauseous or from a polarized lens. >> the

entertainment host gives us a look. >> it is time to roll out the red carpet. on this carpet many celebrities will be walking, beautiful women, beautiful men, seacrest. >> we love that you are already making fun of sea crest. >> what emmy host wouldn't do is give us the dish on the opening number. >> i want people to be sur preezed. i want to get as many stars involved as a can. >> like maybe a kardashian? >> could happen. the invite is out. >> i can confirm kim will be at the emmies. she is not in the opening skit but she is in the audience and at one point she and jimmy have a bit. kate gosselin will be in the opening skit. >> we know it will be a george clooney tribute. >> it is a two-hour show, the first hour will be the george clooney tribute. >> the seating cards are set. i found my place right next to john hamm. next to stephen moyer will be anna paquin, who will present together. check out our own joel mchale positioned behind neal patrick harris. on to the after party. >> the theme is celestial. >> we have a summer vegetable salad with fava beans and f

people are looking for other ways to cross the bay. they have found that the use of the ferry boats may have increased by three times it is today. >> a lot of people who are looking for alternative ways to get around, people who walk, bicycle, other transportation, less people are driving. it is not just the price of gas. >> it is fun to ride to work and along the riverfront. we see that on the weekend. the promise not it is just full of people coming down, just walking along the waterfront, ride a bike, take a walk. we're becoming one of the most public waterfronts in the country. >> once upon the time, the boats would come in here where we are standing we know that because i have a photograph of that. my wife collects historic post cards of san francisco, and we have photographs of the ferry building with all the piers in place. the ferry building went through the 1906 earthquake. how badly damaged it was it? >> just the clock tower was rendered on safe or compromised. -- it was rendered unsafe or compromised. they had thought about taking the clock tower down,