i wonder if you might share with us offline, which of those supervisors and libraries are -- which library within their districts are open? >> we have a very colorful map which highlights of that. supervisor chu: i have gone to the ortega library. it is great. it is nestled between a lot of public amenities and schools. i have been there on a couple of occasions when it was not open when i thought it would be. in terms of the hours that you are open at the library, is there some sort of regularity around it? how do you suppose hours? sometimes people go there thinking it will be open because it is fairly late in the day, but it is not open. how do you go about setting that, is there a way to make it easier for people to know when the libraries are open? >> first of all, or take it is open seven days a week. we are pleased about that. in the study that we will be conducting, we will look at how we can modify whether it is more evening or morning hours, what the trade-offs are based on the demand and need from the community. in terms of getting the word out, it continues to be one of our pri

facebook and other social networks were really about using technology or mapping your offline friendsline world of social networks. we're seeing more and more startups use technology to create relationships and connections offline using technology. like airtime, which was started by sean fanning and sean parker. >> david, we're going to leave it there. thanks for your time. we appreciate it. david lee of sv angel. i know you use airtime. >> all the time. >> and war v. parker all the time. very important. >> listen, you know -- in all seriousness, everyone comes on and talks about the facebook valuation, twitter valuation, they talk about the social aspect in connecting you and i. it comes down to earnings and it comes down to monetizing the product and tell me how are you going to monetize it? that's where i was going with my question. you have $20 being illion in ad. how are you going to slice up the pie and earn money in. >>> coming up next, the moment we've been eagerly awaiting for all show long. three short minutes tim seymour will reveal what is behind the curtain. it's a rockin

background of loving sound, and loving technology on the social web and it's been so bizarre to us in the offline world, all this richness around sound and such a big part of our lives, and online, just mute. silent. >> and i saw this on sound cloud. a lot of bands putting up sound. but the social soft knowing of music. the sort of music that people are working on. so scott, rich and i want to launch our own punk group. could we actually go on and sort of say, please, help us find music? >> yes. >> a great way of sorting putting together. >> and the perspective, the great thing about the web, ties people together wherever they are. and you share your ideas. same thing with all around sound. go online and you can find a date, and make your own version, and this is a couple of things that people have sent as well. >> bend back together. >> i have a sense that you are sort of moving into the spoken world as well. >> i think that, you know, sound is a lot of different things. like definitely music. snoop, madonna, springsteen. much more that that. sound can be the spoken word. mayor bloomberg is usin

another case earlier this year where lobbyist managed to convince authorities in the us to take the website offline because they were alleging that they were sharing copyrighted material music blog went down for a year there were no charges ever nothing happened and the some guy just lost his website he couldn't use his u.r.l. that he was paying for he couldn't write what he wanted to he was saying was a first amendment thing you know i want to be able to write something and now i can't because you have charges that don't exist and m p a in the right a long gone after people just just assuming assumptions and yes so it's really nothing new but under these things like the safe harbor provision of the copyright act it is long as you follow the rules things should be ok but if you have a lot of money and have a lot of influence in washington you know what that gave you so i mean what about all the different people like you so there's different stratas of make up load users who weren't doing anything that was legal you know they're all screwed they're all screwed and what's going to happen to all their

offline incarnations don't matter. they still do, they are important and often work in tandem, but certainly it's hard to imagine for most of us any kind of significant world event where those exercises are happening without being exercised on line, so i think the inclusion of the united freedom and the human rights report does not reflect that reality and contributes to the comprehensive report. >> host: >> when you talk about the freedom the mean freedom of speech or access to the internet? >> we mean broadly speaking the same rights that apply offline apply online, so obviously freedom of speech, freedom of expression is most prominent also freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of religion. any human right that is reflected in the universal declaration of human rights or the international civil and political rights, that should apply on-line in the same way that it is offline. there is a separate and related conversation about access that ties into the development of infrastructure and the spread of technology etc., and certainly we recognize how those two things work in tandem, protecting an open platform an

supervisor chu: perhaps if i could follow offline with regards to individual rate impact on a number of these because we have a number of other departments and issues before us up and i do want to move through it. i know that we have public comment, so we can take action on the budget analysts revise reductions. harvey articulated they are not exactly the same as what is in the report. can we tentatively take that pending public comment? we will do that without objection. supervisor avalos: i did have a couple of other questions and they are really high level and slightly touched upon during the presentation. in particular, how what does the budget reflects the goals of the projects in san francisco? the next is on urban agriculture and what way the department is moving into that. there also questions about the transfer agreement between the puc and the modesto district as well. >> we originally started the program with about $5 million and net dropped to $3 million. the budget shows $2 million a year for the next few years. we have been cutting everything, including energy efficiency programs and this reflects the lack of money in the budget because we need

offline incarnations the matter. they still do. they're still very important and they work in tandem. but it is hard to imagine for most of us any kind of it -- any kind of significant world events where it happens without those rights being exercised online. so the inclusion of that in the report leads to the comprehensiveness of the report. >> do you mean freedom of speech or access to the internet? >> broadly speaking, the same rights that apply offline apply online. freedom of speech and expression is the most common. but also, freedom of assembly at freedom of religion. that should apply online as it does offline. there is a separate and related carson about access. it ties in -- conversation about taxes. it -- there is a separate and related conversation on access. i think, when we talk about the human rights report, we're talking about protecting the openness of the platform and protecting people's rights to exercise their rights online. >> this is our guest reporter this week. >> how much correlation is there between the online human rights violations and the offline? the same countries that you have concerns about a

us as well is lynn stanton, senior editor for "telecommunications reports," and she's our guest reporter this week. >> host: how much correlation is there between the online human rights violations and the offline? is it the same countries, um, that you have concerns about online as offline, and is the decree sort of correlated between the two spheres, if you will? >> guest: i think that as you probably would expect there is a good deal of correlation. i think probably that that speaks to the kind of inquiz about of these rights wherever they're exercised. governments that see the exercise of freedom of association as a threat to what is sometimes a regime of questionable legitimacy tend to see those things as a threat whether or not they're happening in a town square or an online chat room. and so for that reason the same governments that restrict rights offline tend to restrict rights online. i think, you know, there are kind of different groups. democracies also struggle with how to adapt and respond to new technology. they are often vel -- well intentioned counterparts in the variety of countries and ministries around the world who are figuring out, okay, i start with the same premise, but

offline and vice versa. could there be some inspiration or take away from trying to unite the forces -- the phrases you used? can we take something away from that in the solid world? guest: well, you know, it is not as if there are -- it is not as if the cybver -- cyber world and solid worlds are two separate worlds. the big -- one of the big anti virus companies, they have analyzed the glame virus -- flame virus, the cyber-espionage operation. some have wondered what it is connected to. davide center 0-- david sanger has been telling us about this. eugene makes the point we all live in the cyberworld now. from the time you wake up and brush your teeth, you are relying on the networks. i might prefer to say the so- called cyberworld is now the nervous system for the planet. you can no more separate the cyberworld from the real world than you can separate the brain and nerves from the rest of the body. host: we will have david sanger on on friday, talking about his new book "confront and conceal." here is an internet -- a tweet -- let's here from june, a republican caller. caller: thank you for c-span. thank

company with the online and offline presence to research individuals from the comfort of my home that simply did not exist. it is that level that is unheard of and just not usinghat for fraud prevention. >> in your writings and testimony imposing additional layers of mandatory disclosure is not the best way to root out fraud? >> because the entrepreneurs who use this are relatively inexperienced, simply cannot bear the cost of the burden. if i make the $200,000 offering it does not take much before i cannot do it paid to the intermediaries or regulatory cost i cannot use for my business. it makes more sense to do to the eye to printers and disclosure requirements that these people will not understand without hiring council. >> does the 50 states have the ability to rudolph fraud? >> nobody is talking about taking away anti-fraud rules. the states have the right to enforce the fraud rules plus additional in the crowdfunding provision. that is the best way because it only imposes cost on those with those who are investigating fraud the other way you want to put the cost on whoever wants to raise money and some -- most of those are acting in good faith everything