to vote. we did that for decades and it left us not as morally evolved as we need to be. it made us to believeerating lynchingon and tolerating a criminal justice system where we now project one in three plaque male babies are going to go to jail and prison. >> rose: you are an eloquent voice for theses. consider you have done enough? >> i don't think any of us have done enough. there is tremendous suffering in this country. there has never opinion a time in america where there are more innocent people in jails and prisons as they are right now and as a lawyer trying to help -- >> where there has never been a time in which there have been more innocent people in jails than 2015? >> that's right correct. we went from 300,000 people in jails and prisons in 1972 to 2.3 million people in jails and prisons today. >> rose: there are those who will argue that it's not about race. it's about economics. >> it is -- >> poverty, lack of opportunity. >> yeah. >> rose: it's those things. >> uh-huh. those are very powerful forces. you cannot deny that poverty is the element that agvates all of these issues. we have a crimi