doing, using the body rather than using clay or using paint. artists started working with their bodies as their art form. [ music continues ] man: i think people tend toall us performance because performance is the term that encompasses everything that can't be defined as theater or dance or sculpture. anything that people have a question about, they say, "that must be performance." and so that's what we are. we don't think a lot about what we are. we just do it. i have to be extremely involved. otherwise, i can't do it. it's like i have to be inside the movement. we're a group that works collaboratively. that, even though we do have a director, we all have input, and we're all making the work as it goes along. we all have a hand in the process and in shaping a piece, so that's really important to me. [ music continues ] man: i like the long sections that goat island is sort of famous for, of repetitious movement. and, to me, it's very meditative, and just those visuals of people moving in space over and over again, so you can really saturate your mind with what it is. one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. hixson: the actual making of these