rebuilding and usaid projects. i want to ago what my colleagues said, we don't want taxpayer dollars going toward propping up a thought. -- assad. i know you guys are with me on this. as the founder of the syria caucus, i will continue to urge my colleagues to hold those responsible for war crimes in syria accountable. signesident trump were to into law the syrian protection act of 2019, what kind of impact with that have on the assad regime and their supporters? >> thank you. pleasure,th you the the killing of al-baghdadi. >> worth celebrating. >> it is a great thing. importantat it is that we recognize what assad has done. we spending money in funding projects to document the mass atrocities. we are working on record-keeping, underwriting some of that. this is a regime that is beyond pale. on threecused narrowly things in syria, preventing a arergence of isis, we working on preventing iranian influence in the country and rolling that back, and also a political future with the implementation of 2254. this is the i

fields such as result of a usaid partnership with texas a & m university. afghanistan is a dirpt place than it was in 2001 and as people are capable of more as it achieves good governance and transparence, usaid is prepared to support emerging needs and opportunities that could arise from a political settlement. the trajectory of afghanistan remains clear. civilian assistance helps create the economic conditions necessary for peace and self reliance by focusing on long-term, broad-based development to reduce violence and stimulate a peace settlement to end the conflict with the taliban. thank you for your attention and thank you for inviting me here today. i welcome your questions. >> thank you very much. let me ask both of you this question. you both mentioned these remarks, three calibration efforts of u.s. assistance to afghanistan moving forward. could each of you please explain what drove the department to propose the significant cuts to our assistance and how such a cut would support interafrican peace and reconciliation? >> thank you, sir. we were tr

usaid, i don't think you guys get enough credit. generally with the state department, you don't get enough credit because when you alleviate a conflict, obviously, you don't know that it's been alleviated until we have -- when it's unsuccessful, so i want to thank you and your folks for all the good work and, you know, specifically, i think it's important to try to make sure we're spending taxpayer resources effecteffectivefy, efficiently, in a targeted way. we shouldn't cut the resources simply to cut them. we should make sure they're efficient. also, it's important when we make sure we do that, we're following the president's priorities even if we disagree, and that's, you know, where we come into play. especially in an area like this. but i especially want to commend, obviously, the people who took out al baghdadi this weekend. it was a great thing. it's not the end of the war on isis. this is a generational fight. this is going to go on for a long time. i think we have to accept and understand that. that's where you come in extr

we will display this at usaid's main lobby.assist those who face persecution and violence merely for exercising their faith. it will also serve as a challenge to us, to take up the mission that the world's great faith traditions call for, to lift lives and build communities for believers and non-believers alike or in the words of john the baptist, to share a tunic with him who has none. thank you. [ applause ] ♪ ♪ >> thank you, ladies and gentlemen. one of the great sponsors of the summit is the americans for religious freedom and as we've just been talking about that in our last couple of session, let's take a quick look at americans for religious freedom. ♪ >> i was told we don't write about jesus in school. >> they cut my mike at a graduation speech just because i thanked god for his guidance. >> they said i couldn't read the bible at school during my free time. >> my teacher said that i couldn't use a bible verse in my class assignment. ♪ >> let's hear it for americans for religious freedom and the wonderful job they're doi

now within that $40 billion, there is $17 billion that goes to usaid and usaid is -- [indiscernible] -- and long-term development. also within that 40 billion, in addition to the $17 billion, there is less than $1 billion given to the peace building agencies and the u.s. institute of peace gets something like $38 million. there are four factors that constitute what we call peace building. and people don't understand what peace building is. the truth of the matter is that peace building, exemplifies skill sets and expertise just as sophisticated, just as important and in many ways given some of the places where these peace builders are assigned, takes just as much coverage. there are four factors to peace building that when present, there will be a greater peace nd lower conflict. number one. expanded economic opportunities for women. number two, expanded educational opportunities for children, number three, a reduction of violence against women and number four, the amelioration of unnecessary human suffering. all of that should be common sense. all of that is common sense and yet loo

our next speaker was sworn in as the 18th usaid administrator in august 2017.zania. no tanzanians here? okay. he served as president of the international republican institute, a nonpartisan nonprofit institution and advancing democracy and human liberty around the world. he served as president and chief executive officer of the initiative for global development, also a nonprofit organization that engages corporate leaders to reduce poverty through business growth and investment in africa and senior director at the leadership coalition which is a network of 400 businesses, nongovernmental organizations, policy experts and other leaders supporting development tools in american foreign policy. ladies and gentlemen, would you please welcome usaid administrator mark green. ♪ >> good morning. good to be with all of you. thanks for those kind words. thanks for this opportunity. ronald reagan, one of our greatest presidents and quintessential american used to claim there was a sign in the federal building that read in case of nuclear attack federal rules concerning pra

i put a plan to double the size of the state department in the usaid which sounds revolutionary until you realize that's what we give dod on a one-year basis. increase funding. i would argue they're having a hard time figuring out how to spend the money we are giving them effectively i have another document which is a detailed plan by which over the course of five years you would double the size of the state department and usaid and not do it mindlessly but create these capacities that would meet the start. >> i think this issue with the institutional reform needed to adapt capabilities in the 21st century is very solid concept. >> it is about adopting the new realities and answering its being adaptable and can move into places very, very quickly. if you want to give advice to farmers in afghanistan, they'll find a way to tell you it is greater. it is not doing it very effectively. the state department is largely in the business of saying no it has money that is criminally silo and move from place to place and so you have to create not just additional money and authorities you have to

state department, the peace building agencies, the usaid. the long-term development, all of this should be given equal weight to military. and when i'm president, they will. the head of the usaid should have a seat at the table no less powerful than our secretary of defense. we need the equivalent in global society of what already exists in health and healing. health and wellness pace. didn't have to take care of your body, didn't have to take care of your diet, your nutrition. you didn't have to take care of your illness. when sickness arises, which it inevitably will, you can go to the doctor and hope the doctor can eradicate the symptoms. we don't look at healing the body that way anymore. we shouldn't look at healing the society or the planet that way anymore either. and so we need to cultivate peace, not just be prepared for war. i see the u.s. military like i see a surgeon. i have great respect for the military. my father fought during world war ii. my critique is not of the military. the decisions that i'm criticizing here are not mil

state department however that they get 40 billion so within a 40 billion there is 17 billion that usaid supports with long-term development in addition to that 17 billion there is less than 1 billion give it to the peace building agencies and with 38 million there are four factors that constitute what we call peace building and they don't know what peace building is but it exemplifies expertise just as sophisticated and important and in many ways the way they are assigned take just as much that when present statistically mean there is a greater incidence of peace and a lower incidence of conflict those do not surprise anyone expanded economic opportunities for women. number two expanded educational opportunities for children. number three. a reduction of violence against women and amelioration of unnecessary human suffering. that she'll be common sense. it is a little much divergence there is between the common sense of anyone slightly connected to their head has expressed in the way our government operates. we should see large groups of people whether we talk about an american city or

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by which you would over the course of five years, double the size of the state department and the usaid and not do it mindlessly but to specifically create these kind of capacities that would meet these new threats. >> now, i think -- i think this issue of the institutional reforms needed to adapt american foreign policy capability in the 21st century is a really solid concept. >> and it is about -- it's about adapting to these new realities and really answering -- what the department of defense has been good at is being adaptable. it can move into places very, very quickly. if you want it to try to give advises to farmers in afghanistan, they'll find a way to tell you it's doing it. it's genuinely not doing it effectively but it will say yes. the state department is largely in the business of saying, no, it has money that is sort of criminally siloed. the camping moved from place to place. and so you've got to create not just additional money and authorities, you've got to create additional flexibilities outside the department of defense. my critique on syria, you know, 2,000 marines o

and a broader recommendation that state usaid and dod should designate an existing office and that sometimes we have the in-house expertise. with that afghan political settlement such a settlement in place to open the door for reintegration it doesn't make it any less urgent to the numbers of people dying and that level is still better today than it has been in 18 years and last but not least no one would argue the us government is not planned and prepared too much how to sustain a peace agreement. admitted the there is a lot we don't know about a future peace agreement we don't know the power structure the degree of which the afghan and security forces are cohesive. or if all ethnic groups will come back in an agreement with the scale of the international presence. all of those factors and more shape the prospects for reintegration. despite those uncertainties we have parameters how the us and afghan governments could approach reintegration while planning looking at those challenges that they will face. so that can help ask combatants through the process of reintegration to not entirely dep

the head of the usaid should have a seat at the table. no less powerful than our secretary of defense. we need the equivalent in global society of what already exists in health and healing. the health and wellness space. we have long past evolved beyond the idea that you didn't have to take care of your body, your diet or nutrition or your illness and then when sickness arrives, which it will, you can go to a doctor and hope that the doctor can suppress or eradicate the symptoms. we don't look at healing the body that way anymore, and we shouldn't look at healing the society or the planet that way anymore either. we need to cultivate peace, not just be prepared for war. i see the u.s. military like i see a surgeon. i have great respect for the military. my critique here is not of the military. the decisions are not military decisions but political decisions. every dollar that the military says they need they should get. what i'm talking about here, what every american should be concerned about is the hundreds of billions over and above wh

plan by which you would over the course of five years double the size of the state department and usaid and create these kinds of capacities that would meet these new threats. >> i think this issue will be institutional reforms needed to adapt american foreign capabilities is a solid concept. senator murphy: and it is about adapting to these new realities and really answering -- what the department of defense is great is adaptable. if you want to give advice to farmers in iraq and afghanistan, they will find away to tell you, it will say yes. the state department is not in in the business of say yes but says no and has money that can't be moved from place to place. you have to create not just additional money acknowledge authorities but additional flexibilities outside the department of defense. 2,000 marines or soldiers weren't going to do the trick in a place that needed diplomats and political help to figure out how to have a governing structure that they could all live with. you have to create the ability for diplomats. so it is about flexibility and new capabilities and new funding

the servant of the united states i mean our state department has since i believe since 1901 through usaid from 1900 to 2014 i believe $5000000000.00 going to. go ahead well basically it's interesting about $5000000000.00 from the united states there are several 100 . $8500000000.00 in the $817000000000.00 for the you are going to go union and i don't and professor made this estimate synergy $1000000000.00 you bring to russia in various forms of debt you know. that but what happens i agree with a professor of that there's going to be instability because basically people who elected you because they wanted peace with russia he keeps boasting i broadly don't think is the thing i mean that and corruption is very yes. but now he says that we are basically not going to feel the means could mean that what is just message there is not what we wish for 2nd so that's not going to be resolved any time so that was but that was the point of reference of respectable if you like the mint's accords you know everyone who is doing well or not doing it 'd was always the point of reference that where do we g

it is the case that then vice president biden went to withhold usaid, but the threat was because the prosecutors were inadequately investigating corruption, not because they were doing too much. that particular prosecutor was not investigating hunter biden's company. that was the problem. the reality is the vice president was trying to do more to root out corruption, not less. i know that is an uncomfortable thatand listening to thanks if you were probably unhappy, but it's the truth. more to the point, and just to be clear about it, even if all that were true, it would be art of the inappropriate for the president to withhold military aid to the crane to get them -- ukrainians to get them to open up an investigation into his political opponent, irrespective of heavy get done some thing wrong. host: a text from randy says --

ndwe do that in other countries for sure but it hasn't been strong in turkey without the usaid mission but looking at russia the turkish public was also anti- russian as well if you look at public opinion oulling they are not as anti- russian so look at what the kremlin is doing in turkey you can see there is a blueprint there we should have followed with their own public hdiplomacy initiatives and civil society reaching out. >> i don't think we could think about it post turkey because he's the most vulnerable. because of the syrian incursionn now the support for him is 40 percent but i think it will be short-lived i could think of several scenarios where he could survive this in with the pkk it does not empower erdogan and somehow that turkish economy turns around but aside from that it is one of the reasons why the rest of the world has to engage your position so that what happens what does that .relationship look like? first a very personalized system and that's a big problem. but if they are in power then they have to leave the institution. that takes the effort and time but these

. >> reporter: news of the hold on usaid did not leave until august 29th, five weeks after the president's with the ukrainian leader which they say undercut democrat claims of a quid pro quo. taylor's explosive claim, republicans accuse their colleagues of unfair tactics. >> democrats will not even allow republicans to have a copy of the transcripts from the witnesses we have interviewed. if we want to look at the transcript we have to go in and there has to be a democrat staffer. >> reporter: katherine herridge, fox news. carley: terrorists spreading propaganda through social media apps aimed at teens. rob: the video sharing apps has millions of users. is this the new battlefront americans need to keep on their radar. carley: the national security program, tara frederick, joins us with parents need to know. the scary thing is i don't think a lot of parents know what to talk is and we are hearing isis is putting propaganda on it. >> reporter: the thing that strikes me is this tactic is not new. iran into this as a counterterrorism analyst at facebook and special operations forces. a differ

. >> reporter: republicans point to the admission that these are the hold on usaid that did not leak until august 29, 5 weeks after the president's phone call with ukrainian leader they say undercut democrat claims of a quid pro quo. with the close of claims republicans accuse their colleagues of unfair tactics. >> democrats will not even allow republicans to have a copy of the transcripts from each of the witnesses we have interviewed. if you want to look at the transcript there has to be a democrat staffer. >> fox news can confirm john duramax investigation into the origins of the russia collusion case expanded based on new evidence gathered during a trip to rome with the attorney general william barr, described as very interested to question the former director of national intelligence james clapper and john brennan. >> thank you. democratic congresswoman tulsa gabbard releasing a new campaign video slamming hillary clinton, the latest response to clinton floating a conspiracy theory seamlessly suggesting congresswoman gabbard is a favorite of the russians. trace gallagher reports

and we do that in other countries for sure and it hasn't been as strong in turkey, we don't have a usaid mission so there are practical missions. looking at russia the turkish public was anti-russian as well. if you look at public opinion polling they are not as anti-russian so if you look at what the kremlin is doing with their public diplomacy initiatives and others in turkey i think you can see a bit of a blueprint that we should have followed as well with our public diplomacy initiatives. >> i don't think we can talk about post erdogan turkey because it is most vulnerable. because of the syrian incursion, public opinion polls show support for him is at 40% which was hovering around 32 before that but this will be short-lived. he is very vulnerable and i can think of several scenarios, where the pta k, definitely going to empower erdogan. the second, turkish economy turns around and economic concerns are not there anymore. aside from that, one of the reasons -- has to engage the opposition and to your question what happens after erdogan, going back to normalcy, how would the relations

subpoenas to the department of defense and white house department, wanting for suspension of uas -- usaidine. activists followed up a chaotic again with more demonstrations. demonstrators fought with police and vandalized stores. the latest protest erupted after hong kong people executives impose an emergency goal to ban facemasks. bailoutpromising lenders they will deliver a budget surplus and celebrate economic growth, draft for the budget was amended to lawmakers today. they ended their international bailout last year, but remains under regular supervision european union's institutions that control the repayments. i mark crumpton. crumpton.k this is bloomberg. david: republicans and democrats appear to be circling the wagons over impeachment with polling showing increasing acceptance by --, but president trump's polling numbers not taking a hit yet. let's go over to joel atkins. and we have christina gregory here in new york. welcome. good to have you. christina, i will start with you. impeachment is a political act fundamentally. is there a prospect he will be convicted? >> you probab

investigation, natural gas firm linked to hunter biden and giuliani claims he was told biden had held at usaid to ukraine over the investigation. here's giuliani tonight on hannity. >> victor told me he's more than willing to come to america and testify before congress and point the finger at joe biden and his son and basically support what the president said today. they are corrupt as soon. >> details of giuliani's interview were handed over to congress by the state department inspector general. the state department has the document since may and our chief correspondent john roberts is giuliani told him he gave documents to the state department expecting they would be investigated but they never were so now giuliani thinks documents were given to the fbi to be investigated. democrats slamming the information calling it conspiracy and propaganda and we should note that on both sides of the atlantic he has been widely accused of corruption and tonight joe biden said this. >> what i do in ukraine was carry out the official policy of the united states government. we weren't pressing ukraine to ge

department leads that, and the major implementers are usaid. that in 2018ied agreement that was between all of the heads of those agencies. we are still working through issues that i see in that when it comes to authority with spending money and authorities to be protected. we can go into that later, but those are things that we have to work out internally so we can maximize the effect of the stabilization operations that we have because at the end of the day, the stabilization part of this is just as important as the kinetic. it is just as much a part of defeating isis as the military direct action campaign was. if we do not do that, we will be back there for sure doing this again. we owe it to the people that live there who have bared unspeakable -- beared unspeakable burdens and we owe it to the men and women that will come after us at the state department and the defense department that we do not just leave this. the last part i would say is more philosophical, political part and as gayle might have a big concernt is for us as the defense d

dollars in aid, george w bush created the millennial challenge account, if you wanted to get a nickel of usaidden had a quid pro quo with ukraine. even if you accept the prosecutor deserved to be fired, he said i'm going to hold up this billion dollar in loan guarantees if you don't bring up the quo. it depends on what the quo is. in the case of trump, two thin things. the quos, if he was saying he was concerned about burden sharing by the allies, that's a legitimate quo. if he's concerned about corruption, that would be a legitimate quo. if he was concerned about getting them to cooperate with the justice department investigation being conducted by john durham who was a career prosecutor, the chief law enforcement officer of the united states, that would be a legitimate quo. it looks like there wasn't a quid pro quo because the ukrainians didn't know the aide was being held up, they didn't know for over a month after the phone call. >> martha: the quo everyone's talking about is the biden quo. >> it was proven there was a biden quo, that would be really bad for president trump, that would be

a diplomatic channels to unlock usaid. military aid is very important for ukraine.they did not discuss military aid in the trump call. we know some of what happened on that call because the transcript was released, of course, by the white house. controversy, to say the least. let's move on to other news on the corporate front. food delivery remains a tough market the challenges -- tough market. big challengers remain unprofitable what we are also seeing consolidation with a step -- established giants. delivery hero is a keydelivery n player. they sold their business earlier and are seeing customer growth in new markets. police say the joining us this morning is the ceo of delivery hero. could speak to you. tell me why you don't think you need to play a role in the m&a that is taking place in the sector. >> our focus has rather been on business and being able to invest at a good return and improving logistics and our restaurant network. that has seen us growing organically. for us, that is the core focus. m&a, we have been open in the past, we are also staying in mak

the last thing i'll say is that having worked -- i worked at the pentagon, the state department, usaid. i really did see something i hadn't seen in a lot of other jobs when i was more junior in my career, which was a real constant communication between high-level officials at the white house and at the pentagon and elsewhere and members of congress and senior staff on the hill. i think that was really important. so even when it's not about passing this piece of legislation or taking this action, i could feel how conversations with members or others was shaping the discussions happening in the situation room and elsewhere. i think having that type of more daily contact, building those relationships are important, but i think that gets back to what i was saying earlier. when we're not able to stay on top of the intel, not able to have that level of situational awareness, i think it puts us at a disadvantage. if we're only calling the pentagon after some type of attack, only calling the state department after some type of failure in diplomatic channels or something like that, we're just n

totaling the law that compelled him to ensure that corruption was being cleaned up in ukraine before usaid could go into ukraine. they turned it around and assign a motive and make the motive stick and that motive it will rise to the level that we will impeach him in the house of representatives for seeking to use u.s. dollars as an incentive for an investigation into his political opponent. how about an investigation into corruption? the corruption was being investigated until joe biden stepped in and extorted the firing of the investigator in ukraine and all donald trump said was can you light this up again and find out the truth. why isn't anybody on the other side of the aisle, why are they worried about an investigation if they're clean? the investigation must be shut down by democrats for some reason. from where i stand, i'm clean. if somebody says i'm going to investigate steve king, i said go ahead. if that is all you have to do with your life go ahead. d those who went down to the sc inch f and adam schiff is holding his secret impeachment hearings in and members said it will cost

among speakers are congressman mark meadows, the usaid administrator and sebastian gorka.tial candidate governor steve bullock of montana speaks at the new hampshire institute of politics at the politics and eggs breakfast. >> former national security advisor h.r. mcmaster joined national security experts for a discussion on the trump administration foreign-policy strategy, including the president's decision to withdraw troops from syria. the foundation for defense of democracies hosted this event. it is about an hour and a half.

among the speakers this morning, representative mark meadows of north carolina, usaid administrator mark green, and commentator sebastian gorka. live coverage here on c-span2. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations

among speakers are congressman mark meadows, the usaid administrator and sebastian gorka. on c-span3 at 8:30 a.m., presidential candidate governor steve bullock of montana speaks at the new hampshire institute of politics at the politics and eggs breakfast. >> former national security advisor h.r. mcmaster joined national security experts for a discussion on the trump administration foreign-policy strategy, including the president's decision to withdraw troops from syria. the foundation for defense of democracies hosted this event. it is about an hour and a half. >> welcome. i'm pleased you are with us today for a very special fdd conversation. 18 years ago we were attacked out of a clear blue sky, litter chilichili -- attacked out of a clear, blue sky, literally and figuratively. since then, russia has not moderated, russia has not reset relations, more than ever we need to integrate all tools, all all power. this has to be leveraged if we defend our interests at home abroad. fdd has launched three centers on american power, expanding the work we have done in the past pro

among the speakers were north carolina republican congressman mark meadows, usaid administrator mark green and he is basston gorka, former deputy assistant to president trump. ♪ >>> welcome to the 2019 values voter

to give one example, 2016 usaid helped eliminate polio in egypt. today the u.s.upports immunization campaigns to keep egypt polio-free. u.s. programs have bougrought cn water and sanitation to over 25 million people in egypt and at least 1.5 million egyptian girls can read and write better thanks to u.s. support for early grade reading. there are many more examples of u.s. assistance programs in the region, from morocco, to the arabian peninsula, lavont in iraq, that are building capabilities and country institutions to enhance security and stability, providing essential services and responsive government and driving economic reform and growth. our total foreign assistance to the region exceeds $7 billion a year. as we look ahead toward increasingly digital interconnected world economy, we need to pay more attention to the risks that comprise telecommunication -- that compromise telecommunication suppliers like huawei post national security. chinese laws, most notably, the national intelligence law, compel its citizens' businesses and other organizations to coope

understand that, but when we pulled out the troops, we had earlier pulled out our diplomatic personnel, our usaidersonnel, we had stopped -- this administration had stopped the stabilization funding that congress appropriated last year so that it didn't go into syria. so the other tools that we have to support a solution in syria have also been taken away. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. senator johnson. sen. johnson: ambassador, thank you for your service. chairman started out his questioning or opening statement with a little bit of a history lesson. i want to throw a couple more details in here. the arab spring protest in syria began in the spring of 2011, at that point in time syria's population was 22 million. today it's about 17 million, 5.5 million people are refugees outside, 3.6 million i believe are in turkey, 6 million syrians displaced within syria. so you have half the population out of their homes. it's a mess. by december 2013, there are already about 100,000 syrians dead in the conflict. june 2014, isis moves in and takes over mosul. ofppo finally falls in july 2016 after a

senator johnson said he was blocked by president trump in august from telling ukraine's president that usaid was on its way, amid accusations trump was holding it investigatedion his political rival. it says trump rejected johnson's request for refusing and made to back ukrainian president zelensky. this is what the senator told "the milwaukee journal sentinel." i was surprised by the president's reaction and realized we had a job to do at constituent stops. i try to convince him in august to give the authority to tell president zelensky we would do that. i did not succeed. tonson said after traveling ukraine for the new president's inauguration, johnson said that he was part of a delegation that attended zelensky's inauguration, and he and others briefed president trump on the inauguration and urged trump to back zelensky, but he resisted the idea. "we all went in there having come from the inauguration, and, you know, we were trying to encourage the president to show a great deal of support. oval office visit, appoint an ambassador who could be appointed on a bipartisan basis because we ca

usaid firmly believe that it is not merely an american value but a universal one. simply put, billions of souls around the world feel strongly their spiritual beliefs give purpose and meaning to their lives and protecting each other's right to worship is really protecting each other's humanity. in today's world, too many people in too many places are attacked and persecuted merely for exercising this human right. in northern iraq, isis has committed genocide against christians and other minorities. n one community torses congregants onad the altar. and others were similarly targeted and attacked. like christians, they were marked for extinks. in 2018 i traveled to iraq with my friend and former congressional colleague frank wolf. we visited a misplaced person's camp and met with survivors. i will never forget looking into the eyes of a mother. she shows us photographs of her missing daughters as though somehow, some way we could help find them. sadly, of course, we could not. trips as my first administrator, i traveled to nothingd bangladesh and short of an ethnic

his text messages regarding the withholding of usaid to ukraine are at issue. we spoke with a capitol hill reporter for more details. >> because of his text messages to colleagues. in real time back in september expressing concern about ukraine back channel negotiations by rudy giuliani on behalf of president trump. >> you mentioned the text, what was important about this -- as far as the impeachment inquiry, what did they say? >> well, the impeachment inquiry has been looking into whether president trump was trying to use leverage of military aid to get dirt on his presidential rivals to have ukraine investigate whether joe biden or the democratic national committee. william taylor in his text messages expressed concern about this and even called it at one point, crazey, to withhold military aid in a bid to get dirt on the president's political rivals. >> how significant is his testimony? >> well, he could significantly advance what has already been built along those lines by the previous -- some of the previous state department and national security team memb

they have routinely sought cuts to state department and usaid programs and they say there was no specificempt to target these anti-corruption efforts or these programs in ukraine. that said, again, if they are so committed to anti-corruption efforts, why are they cutting these programs instead of committing more money to them? >> all right. so in addition to your reporting, we got bill taylor's testimony from yesterday. the acting ambassador to ukraine. and i just want to read a segment, an excerpt from it. he says ambassador sondland, talking about gordon sondland the u.s. ambassador to the european union, ambassador sondland said he talked to president zelensky and told them that although this was not a quid pro quo, if president zelensky did not clear things up in public, we would be at a stalemate. i understood a stalemate to mean that ukraine would not receive the much-needed military assistance. your reporting sort of stands -- it's not the same thing. but it supports the same principle that the money that goes to ukraine was contingent -- the military assistance was contingent upon