[cheers] >> usama bin laden is dead.eers] >> why was the president pushing this terror victory narrative when the threat is still very much alive. joining us from new york is bernard whitman and here in the studio with me the famous mary katharine ham a fox news contributor. great to see both of you. mary katharine, let me start with you here. listening to those old clips it's sad and feweriating and amusing. this idea that the al qaeda was on the run it sounded great. where are we now given the threats. >> the american people rightly gave him plenty of credit for usama bin laden. that became the entirety of the message about terror. the pitch was not in a george bush style you need my steady hand on this site so we can continue and keep being protected. we are kind of done now. they are on the run. and it turns out that's not the case. people wanted to hear that message i think the press was happy to deliver that message. despite something like benghazi which was a pretty big attack on 9/11. now we are finding out we sh

usama bin laden is dead. >> al qaeda has been decimated. bin laden is dead. >> did he give the full picture to the american people on the campaign about the threat from al qaeda when that was his talking point again and again? >> i think it's indisputable that the elimination of usama bin laden was a major accomplishment in the effort against al qaeda. we have been clear and the president has been clear that the threat from al qaeda very much remains. today the press secretary jay carney was pressed a number of different times a number of different aways all of the statements on the campaign trail and before that and al qaeda and the status of al qaeda being disseminated. he try to draw a line between core al qaeda and the different branches of al qaeda as we talked about with the previous panel. we are back with our panel. charles? >> look, a perennial problem that super power has, you want to be respect it. obama always had what i think is sanei eve idea that he wants america to be loved. he made a tour of the muslim world early on we are

even though we finally killed usama bin laden.act of the matter is they have never ever, harris, given up on their objectives, which is to dominate all muslim countries in the world, strategic objective number one, and the means to achieve that is to drive the united states and the west out of the region so they can have their way. so, they have been spreading in to other countries so they can dominate those countries. that pattern has now taken place around the middle east. they are clearly on the rise. and they are emboldened by benghazi. and that's the harsh truth of it. they did not expect to have the kind of success they had that night. and it was extraordinary what they were able to achieve in killing an ambassador and burning the consulate to the ground, killing three others and forcing the evacuation of a cia base. but, look what we didn't do. we should have immediately come in there that night and the next morning, even though the forces couldn't get there in time to save that fight, they should have seized those faciliti

and track down usama bin laden. famously killed the terror leader two years ago.y convicted the doctor tore for ties to malt tant group. that led the united states to withhold $32 million for aid to pakistan. 1 million for each year of his prison sentence. but today, according to several news agencies, according to the associated press. a senior judicial official ruled the previous judge overstepped his legal bounds. now the doctor reportedly will get a new trial. well, despite 75 years of federal marijuana prohibition in this country. the justice department now states some states can let people smoke weed, even grow it. buy it in store. there are some conditions though. first, exactly 8 years ago today, hurricane katrina made landfall over louisiana. the start of that deadly disaster that forever changed the gulf coast. >> rolling? >> yeah. leave.emely hard to your whole life is here and your whole world. it's hard to decide what's important or value. >> harris: it hit that day but took days before we learned the truex tent. the storm killed 1800 people. damaged

bill: new details now on the raid that killed usama bin laden.s. navy seals were guided by a fleet of satellites that gave them vital information. peter brooks is a former cia officer, senior fellow for national security affairs at the heritage foundation. peter, good morning to you. >> good morning. bill: i think the american fascination with this raid is never ending. >> right. bill: but in this case the only reason we know about this is because of edward snowden. what does that do to our security? >> yes. it's very damaging. bill, there's no doubt about that. the fact is that these are critical intelligence sources and methods that even though we're very interested in and i totally understand that, our enemies are also very interested in it, and they will use it to their advantage. if we can't keep these sort of things secret, we're going to be, we're going to limit, we're going to have problems with our, with issues of national security in the future, and this is very troubling. hillhill -- bill: how do terrorists react when they hear word of

>> this is a physician by who published reports helped us secure a location for usama bin laden and also d.n.a. samples and for which he was paid something like $55,000, which was nine times his annual salary. >> bill: all right. we hope the guy gets out. kerry could probably get him out but money would have to exchange hands. that's for sure. all right, gentlemen, thank you. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. study says some americans would save their dogs rather than another human being if both were in morality danger, could that be possible we hope you there's a new way to buy a car. it's called truecar. and truecar users... save time and money. so when you're... ready to buy a car, make sure you... never overpay. visit truecar.com today. >> bill: personal story segment tonight a new study out of georgia regents university. more americans place value on the life of their dog than another human being. 40% say they would save their own pet over a foreign terrorist. 37% say they would choose their dog's life over an american they didn't know. joining us now from na

. >> laura: you mean a clinton going after usama bin laden back in 1996 when we lost track of him? are you talking about later? >> oh, there were tons of attacks during his second term in office. >> laura: certainly was. "u.s.s. cole" was one of them. let's talk about what happened last night. cnn special the foreign correspondents sat down and interviewed ahmed abu katall amplets who today was charged, last 24 hours was charged by our justice department. let's listen. >> did anyone from the american or the libyan government side try to get in touch with you? >> never. >> never? >> never. >> and if they tried, are you you ready to meet with them? >> yes. no problem. but not as an interrogation like a conversation we are having with you now. >> laura: why do you think we have never apprehended or even interviewed even -- we have an investigation, investigation we know where he is we know where he lives. guy was out in cafe with our correspondent and cnn correspondent for this special. but not one person from the obama justice department or fbi sat down with this guy? what the heck i

>> this is a physician by who published reports helped us secure a location for usama bin laden and also.a. samples and for which he was paid something like $55,000, which was nine times his annual salary. >> bill: all right. we hope the guy gets out. kerry could probably get him out but money would have to exchange hands. that's for sure. all right, gentlemen, thank you. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. study says some americans would save their dogs rather than another human being if both were in morality danger, could that morality danger, could that be possible we hope you you're not made of money, so don't overpay for at insurance. geico, you're not made of money, see how much you could save. my dna...s me. it helps make me who i am every piece is important... it's like a self-portrait this part.. makes my eyes blue... so that's why the sun makes me sneeze... i might have an increased risk of heart disease... arthritis gallstones hemochromatosis i'll look into that stuff we might pass onto to our kids... foods i might want to avoid... hundreds of things abou

>> this is a physician by who published reports helped us secure a location for usama bin laden and also.n.a. samples and for which he was paid something like $55,000, which was nine times his annual salary. >> bill: all right. we hope the guy gets out. kerry could probably get him out but money would have to exchange hands. that's for sure. all right, gentlemen, thank you. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. study says some americans would save their dogs rather than another human being if both were in morality danger, could that be possible we hope you stay tuned to those reports. and then another. and another. and if you do it. and your friends do it. and their friends do it... soon we'll be walking our way to awareness, support and an end to alzheimer's disease. and that? that would be big. grab yo friends and family and start a team today. register at alz.org >> announcer: introducing the redesigned jitterbug plus, our smartest, easiest cell phone yet. >> when i heard about the jitterbug, i went online and ordered one for my mom. now my mom has a cell phone she

because in june of 2001 usama bin laden had a recruitment video.happened to america. we bombed the suggestion uss cole, they did nothing about it. we can get them, and we can kill them with impunity, and they won't come after us. join in a holy war against americans, and what did we have after that? september 11th. my whole point is unless you stand firm and you deliver on your threats, you make good on your promises, you will continue to be taken advantage of and humiliated, and we are seeing this again and again. not just with al-qaeda, but with iran, with putin in russia. time and time again if you make empty threats and idle promises and you do not back them up, then you get exploited and taken advantage of, humiliated, and it has real consequences. bill: peter king called this a wake-up call, but you constantly make the point about leading from behind in a number of cases you cited here. what is the long-term effect of that policy, if you belief that? >> well, america's neither feared nor respected. i'm not saying you go back to the george bus

>> the stuff about the usama bin laden raid.ot the last time we will go after a high-value target. some stuff terrorists may not do anything about but hearing about phone intercepts, analysis, things along these lines, at some point we may have to go after other bad guy like usama bin laden, don't want bad guys to do what we do, this is the intelligence, blackguards at the bus station. any time they are exposed it hurts our national security. connell: what about people who argue the opposite side and say some other numbers that were in this, much money being spent. >> this guy is uncovering some, more transparency. connell: would you say to people with those arguments? >> that is why we have an intelligence community. elected representatives have oversight, approved on them, the government can spend anything congress doesn't approve and some things you need to keep secret free and national security, intelligence is the first line of defense and if you let your guard down, you could pay a dear price. connell: thank you for coming

al-jazeera, many people saw it as a mouthpiece for usama bin laden because that was the channel that diatribes right after 9/11. >> well i think there is something to that, but look, they're an arab news channel. let's face it, many if not most arabs probably support what bin laden was trying to do in killing americans and so on. the polls from the pew center certainly show that they cover stuff. i give them credit. on the, stories like egypt and syria i find myself watching. i'm under no illusion as to their bias but they spend real money to put real reporters into hot zones and cover them and they do it hours on end. there's a value to it. i believe in the, we report you decide syndrome or philosophy. therefore i like to think i'm, as i'm watching their footage i'm thinking okay, this could be, probably is biased, however, i still want to see it. jon: but, you know, if they are going to focus primarily on domestic news in this country, alan, are they going to be serving that same kind of niche that jim likes, putting people in trouble. >> jim may not be the typical viewer of al-jaz

and the killing of usama bin laden, we focused on usama bin laden for so many years, an important symbol to the u.s. but at the same time al qaeda was discussing the self, a harder to detect what was going on and fight any potential attack? >> important to remember when president san diego bin laden is dead, al qaeda is on the road, even secretary john kerry said last week in pakistan al qaeda is finished, maybe al qaeda's score isn't what it used to be the the franchises are much more powerful and not staying home and the argument always was there is al qaeda in the arabian peninsula but they will just make trouble. they're coming to the united states. dagen: look at iraq and other areas. >> talking about a spread from the atlantic ocean all the way over to pakistan. there's a great percentage where the energy comes from, we're talking about a huge region, the strait of ormuz or the cyanide peninsula, we are talking about western interests throughout the region. dagen: thinking of oil producing regions i always think investors are fairly smart and we have been asking the question over a

it is a very flatlined organization, particularly since the demise of usama bin laden.independent groups with very local grievances that also maintain a very global outlook about their war against the west. al-qaeda of the arabian peninsula operates independently, and we've seen over the past couple of years that it has the ability to perpetrate attacks against the united states. this is the same group that was responsible for the underwear bomber, for that cartridge plot on a plane heading to the united states. so they've been very creative in the past, and unfortunately, it doesn't take very much financing or support from the outside in order for these, for this group to be able to carry out such attacks. jenna: we're looking at the limited video we have out of yemen regarding this terror group, and you mentioned they don't need a ton of money. this is a very rural country, very little resources, so one wonders if this is our response to a group in yemen, what would our response be to a threat coming from, let's say, a nuclear iran? [laughter] >> right. well, i mean,

we're in a post-usama bin laden era but not a post-al qaeda era. complacency is a major mistake. the other issue here is that i think, you know, closing these embassies like i said i think was a prudent idea, but the fact of the matter is, i think al qaeda sees us as weak of benghazi. there is no justice. there is no punishment for the killing of those four brave americans. there is a number of mixed messages out there and the administration has to get it right because we're still in the cross-hairs of groups like al qaeda. jenna: very interesting post-bin laden and post-benghazi. that is interesting combination. peter, great to have you as always. thank you. >> thank you. jon: >> the congressional summer recess starts today but that does not mean lawmakers should expect a break from very big issues causing gridlock on capitol hill. congress is on track to have one of the least productive sessions ever but various interest groups are more motivated than ever to press their causes with legislators once they arrive at home. activists are expected to be out in full force in august.

this was before usama bin laden was a household name. the investigation concluded the u.s.ply wasn't equipped to investigate someone described as a transnational like usama bin laden. and lastly, i should say that the u.s. ambassador at that embassy wrote washington to say that it was extremely vulnerable, her request essentially ignored. washington said the threat level was describe canned as -- gregg: just like the warnings christopher stevens gave to washington in advance of the benghazi attack which invites the question, i mean, what lessons have been learned after 15 years? >> well, if you go back 15 years ago, the budget for embassy defenses, about $200 million. today the state department is requesting about $1.6 billion. and, yes, there were lessons learned, there were changes made. some dramatic improvements in the perimeters, they installed blast walls, they also added more staff, different types of checkpoints. but at the end of the day, it still seems that u.s. properties, our embassies, consulates and missions overseas, are still vulnerable because of the very f

we're living in a post-usama bin laden world but not living in a post-al qaeda world. the problem with the president is to try to square that circle because claims he himself and his administration made about al qaeda. kelly: we'll see what unfolds this afternoon as the president goes to the podium for a news briefing with white house correspondents that will ask him at love tough questions. as you mentioned, jay leno did the same thing. maybe not as tough as the white house bureau. >> don't forget, obamacare. is he willing to shut down the government in order to get his funding for obamacare? it would be -- kelly: five-week recess. they should stay on capitol hill to get the job done. >> i prefer when they're on vacation and not trying to help us, kelly. kelly: monica. we thank you for that. >> a pleasure. thank you. kelly: jenna? jenna: kelly, thank you very much. we look forward to the press conference again, 3:00 p.m. eastern time. meantime a fox news alert on the manhunt for a missing teenager and a murder suspect. the search now in its sixth day stretching up and

reports indicate he was once very close with usama bin laden. even game head of the al qaeda branch after escaping from prison in yemen. al qaeda has claimed responsibility for sigh mum takennous raids on two iraqi prisons last month. those raids reportedly said free more than 500 inmates. a man once considered the most wanted nazi war criminal has died in hungry of pneumonia. he was 98 years old. and hungarian authorities indicted him in june. they say he was the head of an internment camp during world war ii and that he often beat jews with his bare hands and whip. they say he helped deport thousands to auschwitz and other death camps. >> crime fighting camp in new york city. a ruling that would have major impact. a big win in court today for the celebrity chef paula deen. accusations of racial discrimination the judge says no. we'll explain as fox report continues. can become major victories. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer. when i was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, my rheumatologist prescribed enbrel for my pain and stiffness, and to hel

. >> now, white house officials explain that the president met al qaeda's core, led, of course, by usamaen who was taken out. was, in fact, on the run but their affiliate, such as al qaeda on the arabian peninsula are growing, shep. >> ed, thanks, despite that terror threat, u.s. lawmakers, two of them, are in egypt as fox reports tonight. senator lindsey graham says he and senator john mccain decided to go ahead with their trip to show that al qaeda will not taser the united states. the senators say they will try end weeks of chaos in egypt after the military toppled the former president there, mohammed morsi last month. the u.s. is not calling it a coup, he though it is, because that means it does not have to cut off more than a billion dollars in aid to egypt. senator graham says the egyptian does have it hold democratic elections soon to keep the cash coming. mike emanuel in the d.c. newsroom. mike? >> the message is the military cannot keep running the country. addressed the senator's role in egypt. >> they have certainly been in conversation with the president and others on the pre

usama told us he came to hide from the poison gas and didn't know where else to go. "it's a dirty regime," he said. but the most powerful words came from 10-year-old sidra, a message she said she had for president obama. "does he want his kids to be like us? aren't we just like them? when we get bigger, we're going to write obama didn't help us," she said. but secretary kerry made it clear today, the u.s. wants to help and is preparing to act. >> the images of entire families, dead in their beds, human suffering that we could never ignore or forget. anyone who could claim that an attack of this staggering scale could be contrived or fabricated needs to check their conscience and their own moral compass. >> reporter: the syrian government, ari, denies it has ever used chemical weapons and says this is a fbrication, something that is being used by the rebels to try and gain international support and sympathy. the syrian rebels, however, say this is the 30th time at least since this war began that the regime has used chemical weapons against the opposition and that this

. >> during the campaign, he said usama bin laden is dead and we disseminated al qaeda.a we hammered their top leadership why have completely disseminated terrorism. i don't think anyone thought that the killing of usama bin laden was the end of terrorism i don't think there will ever be an end to the terrorism. why. >> not happy. >> alisyn: claim that he disseminated al qaeda? that was sort of a bold and brazen statement that now he is having to walk it back constantly. >> he is really not having to walk it back. he should be. mission accomplished and they hammered him for the rest of his presidency over that yeah, whoever staged that moment, that was not a good one because, you know, that lends itself to misinterpretation just as it does to say disseminated that was his word. not finished not declined disseminated. well, he didn't. that's the harsh reality of terrorism. whack a mole, knock one down and 10 more pop up. you are right we are not going to be done with terrorism because we said so. >> tucker: some of his key defenders are still claiming that opposition to o

a single foreign policy success of the obama administration the last four years other than killing usama? >> i don't count that as an obama administration foreign policy success. that was begun after the 9/11 attacks, like richard nixon claiming credit for armstrong and aldrin landed on the moon in summer of 1969 as if he started the space program rather than john kennedy. a ten year record in those cases. stopped clocks are right flight to the. i am sure there is a obama success or two out there but not because of his policies. he has a fundamentally flawed world view about the role of the united states, security we provide and friends and allies and how to handle adversaries and terrorists. we are seeing the flaws of that world view in recent weeks. >> do you think that hurts us? america's standing in the world is down, respect for america down, respect for our ideas down, does that come back to hurt us not so much physically but in the financial sense? >> it does. if people see america as less strong, less capable, less willing to defend its interests they will we calibrate their poli

at the same time in afghanistan we missed usama bin laden.low 15,000 feet in the war. >> yeah. bill: 2008, lebanon, libya, came to the french and british that supported us. how do you do it in a way where it is not just a pinprick or not just a show of force without an effective use of force? as you know there's a big difference. >> absolutely. i have real problems the way the president handled this from the beginning. my concern if he is going to use cruise missiles and he does it for a few days and walks away. if he will take action at all. i say he has right to do it, if he will take action and sustained cruise missile attack and know what the endgame is. what does he want from all this? to knock out a few come man and control systems or get us to the negotiating table where we control the rebel force? as much as i respect john mccain i do believe there's a radical islamist element which may be close to dominating those rebel forces. i don't want to have assad knocked out and have al qaeda come in. if we can neutralize or weaken assad, for

bill: chairman of the oversight committee, republican from california, said usama bin laden was criminally charged long best september 11, 2000 one terror attacks was not apprehended. it will only put american lives at further and needless risk. now one of the individuals charged is libyan militia leader, katala in an interview he conducted with fox news last year but he was at the scene last year and only directing traffic. he denies being a ringleader as others have claimed. bill: thank you. steve centanni reporting in washington. heather has more on this. >> it has been a long road to get to these charges. we remember it was september 11th last year when the attack happened and it wasn't until october 4th, 2012, 23 days after the attack when fbi agents finally got to benghazi and they went to the ruins of consulate. 87 days from the attack the fbi questioned questioned harzai for three hours with a tunisia judge present. one month later in january the fbi released him following a three-hour interview with agents. later that month fbi director robert mueller met with senior libyan offici

that and was already looking ahead when she got up hend ended in 2008 there is no way a guy named usama laden is going to beat me. first term freshman senator no chance. and she got caught napping. they will not get caught napping this time. they will grind down any if there are any nasaan boom lips out there squash them as hard as they can. come hard and fast after these folks. what they are trying to do now in the house of clinton is try not to -- yes, there are irregularities, yes our friends that we hang out with at the hamptons are super rich and icky stuff. they will will air it out now and then later when it's time to run they will say the clinton thing which is this, oh, that's old news. we already covered all of that. >> shannon: air it out now and get it aired out. >> democratic base that fell in love with barack obama and true blue liberalism, it's going to be hard for them to suck it up and take a chamber of commerce approved kind of democrat. >> shannon: all right. now, i always feel smarter and better informed having spoken with you and all of our viewers can have the same

it means, to say that it's decentralized means that -- at one point let's say in 2001 usama bin laden ran al-qaeda from somewhat of a hierarchical structure. it's a lot more diffuse thousand in the sense -- now in the sense that the central element in pakistan does not control all tactical elements of what's happening in north africa and the middle east. it makes it, in ways, a more dangerous and difficult movement to counter. jenna: and interesting one of the things this your report to lawmakers that you gave on capitol hill is that there is communication where sometimes we're told core al-qaeda is no longer strong, but there is communication either by the swearing of allegiance or advice or guidance given to different, quote-unquote, allies after al-qaeda. what is that all about? >> well, jenna, that's right. probably the best example to illustrate your point here is in syria where the al-qaeda affiliate in syria earlier this summer and then into the spring broke away from al-qaeda in iraq, swore allegiance directly to pakistan, to aymanal al-zawahiri and pledged allegiance what tha

>> reporter: heather, we're hearing it was a call from ayman al-zawahiri, the man who replaced usama, the leader of the al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. the state department today actually reduced number of emergency personnel at the embassy in sanaa. the president said al qaeda is on the run but the his aides don't make the same claim about aqap. >> as al qaeda core has been diminished through the efforts of the united states and our allies, affiliate organizations including in particular al qaeda in the arabian peninsula have strengthened and, we have here in washington identified aqap as a particularly dangerous threat for some kind now. >> reporter: there were four drone strikes against aqap fighters in the past two weeks including one that killed four people today. heather? heather: didn't the president recently talk about making gains actually against the yemeni al qaeda groups? >> reporter: just last week the president met with yemeni president in the oval office and he seemed to give his blessings to the drone strikes against aqap. there had been a strike that very day. had