but at least we do know enough to uset to be able people who do it well as models and demonstrators forwho need to learn to do well. there are still some really good coaches and teachers, not perhaps as numerous as we were at one time, but they come along because the kind of singer who is in demand also changes with the time. now, for example, well, just kid, it when i was a literally didn't matter at all whether a singer looked plausible in a role at all if that singer could sing the spots off it. i'm not sure that an audience today has that same conditioning. >> does a city like new york has more than one opera company? >> terrible. the saddest. desperate. tragedy thatis a you don't. that people who are nell putive, julius per his life into it and he outlives it? that is unthinkable, insane. gelben you look at peter and you, is there in some way, can you argue that this is a perfect match because of differences, they complement each other? peter? what hear pete need be between them to create great art? >> charlie, all i can say to you with peter, when it works it really works, between