in fact, we heard from the uspto and outside counsel, they're trying to circumvent the rule. there's an email floating around from a foreign applicant asking to use attorneys' credentials to file trademark applications. uspto communicated to us that legitimate attorney credentials are used without their permission. finally, we're seeing either unscrupulous or unknowing u.s. attorneys to continue to file these fraudulent trademark applications on behalf of their clients, so we think the problem is going to continue and even if it were to stop the problem, it doesn't deal with the actual clutter already on the register. the tens of thousands of marks, the 1,200% increase we've seen over the last couple years. >> i may submit some questions for answer in writing. thank you for your courtesy. >> mr. chairman -- >> thank you. let me make sure, i may have missed this previously, forgive me if i did. for your clients and just for the average person who may be watching this, what's the cost to file versus the cost to successfully challenge all the way through? so if you got a small b