say it wasn't willful because he relied on the city attorney but that it pertains to document can ustodian, thissen then that maybe moved. >> if what only applied to document custodian. >> if 67.21 e that only applies to document custodian, that person may not have been knowledgeable. that's not applicable. if the volition on the merits is 22 b. >> i think that's right. >> mr. lazar, i apologize that you have now come up from the back row twice. i have one other question for you. >> if the answer to the question was there hasn't been any communication, why not just tell that to mr. clark? why go through all of this? >> i'm honestly can't answer that. i would tell him, i don't know. i don't remember that. i believe i did say what was happening in terms of that lack of compromise on the part of the -- at the committee meeting. but i just right now i have no recollection. i'm not going to deny it. i said do what you have to do. okay? thanks. >> are there any views with respect to the 67.34 willful violation finding? >> i have to say i was a little troubled by -- if that's the interpretation t