of the matrix, science-fiction writers who are revered by people in the tech world, this is not a utopia they are presenting. it is the opposite to present the role of the future as a scary place. what do you think? >> you are right. to give credit where it is due, the science fiction writer was william gibson and certainly to some extent the matrix movies are utterly in his debt. you are right. it is a vision that we are allowed to think even now that is not all apple pie. is not all strawberries and cream and choose your fruit metaphor. personally i tend to be optimistic. there are genuine dangers about the world and there are dangers to do with a loss of attention. dangers to do with the fragmentation of needs and over control. right now, cyberspace is a surprisingly fried kind of place in most of the world. for whatever occidental reasons, the internet has created in the united states started as a democratic place where everybody had a voice and it is still like that. anybody who wants to be a blocker or be on twitter can be. it has a powerful effect. but to say the movement toward d

i don't want to sound as though i am saying, we are heading for some type of cyber utopia where we will want to be connected from morning until night. i do think already we want to go back some of the time. we want to get to the beach in turn off ourself ounce. we need to find a balance. you cannot be connected around the clock and still engaged in the activity that we have called fraud. i'm not saying that. what we learned about information cannot be on land. >> so, you mentioned cyberspace. you know, obviously whether it is the concept of cyberspace or, you know, science fiction of the matrix you know, riders, science fiction writers, you know, who are revered by people, you know, this is not a utopia that they are presenting. it is quite the opposite. they're presenting the role that the future is a very scary place. what you think? >> what, you are right. you know, to give credit where it is due the science-fiction writer who invented the word cyberspace was william gibson. now, even now that we are living , it is not all apple pie. it is not of strawberries and cream. personally i

three features work that relates to the ideas of self-determinenism, alternative world making and utopia. visits can still participate in this -- visitors can still participate in this project. during the opening, we invite visitors to come in and try on these costumes, pose in front of the backdrop. he was really inspired by comic books that he read as growing up and thinks of this space as a post-apocalyptic monster portrait gallery where people can remain genderless once they put on the costumes. we think it's important that this be happening in san francisco, which is considered an ekpe center of the queer actual cure. the majority of the queer cultural events happen in june which has been designated as the pride month. which to me translates as the period of time in which people can be in clear arts and culture. in september, it's hashingening back to that and proving that this is something that is scon significantly happening all the time. what danny and i hope visitors take away from this exhibition is to observe the diversity within the designation of queer in terms of race, in t

you're now talking about a 21st century project that should be a utopia, but cars are so 20th century. we need to get away from the automobile. also, san francisco is required to reduce greenhouse gases. i ask you to prove this appeal. thank you. president chiu: thank you. next speaker. >> i am an intern with the sierra club, and i have here a statement from one of our members to was not able to be here today. her name is ms. campbell. she writes, "thank you for what you are doing for the treasure island/yerba buena koran. as a resident there, i am saddened by the potential loss that birds and visitors can enjoy. there are so many species of birds, i doubt they took that into account when the eir was the drafted. there are pelicans, and i see and hear them daily. there are also numerous species of songbirds and raptors and others. it will likely become a gated community for the rich. i do not know if you have been to the islands, but it is a place of natural beauty which should be set aside for other generations to enjoy. we know the realities of living on the island and the problems

three features work that relates to the ideas of self-determinenism, alternative world making and utopia.

politics i'm not an expert on them but you know i assume that they're not living in some sort of utopia at the same time i think we should point you made about saving is absolutely right you have to look at how we got into the recession when we got into the recession with debt because families were encouraged not to save through you know certain governments and also through. cultural incentives germany with its high savings rate did not enter this recession with the same kind of debt and that put them in a better position going forward it made smaller stimulus more effective because people didn't have to pay down their debt they could spend it on new products and so that's just an advantage they had and i do think that going forward we're going to want to look at it probably slightly higher tax and higher savings country so that we don't have exact same problem all over again good looks on that one here gerri thank you so much for joining us thanks. are still to come tonight do you consider access to the internet to be a human right the un has put together a new report saying just that

you have taken me to utopia. >> you never realize when you say these things how much trouble you get into because people remember them. >> tell me what incenses you, what issues in america wind you up? >> there are a few. i try not to get myself in -- look, here's the thing. i voted for obama and i've only voted twice in my life. i voted for obama and i voted for mandela. and i won't lie to you. both times felt like i was part of something pretty historical. >> do you still feel with obama that he is capable of being as great as everybody hoped? >> yes, i think he's incredibly capable of it. i just sometimes wish the democrats would actually kind of put action to what they tell people. >> the film is a contentious one for you, but what do you feel about the gun policy in america given that you came from a country that had them everywhere. >> i just don't think that by any means anyone should have a semiautomatic or automatic weapon for anything. i'll start with that. you know, i think that i obviously come from -- i've had an experience in my life where in the wrong circumstances, a

you just seemed like in utopia for you. >> absolutely. >> like it just couldn't get better.u are. last night, i mean, i've never seen such self-confidence in almost any performer. where do you get it sflom how do you create that kind of aura when, by nature, you're not really like that? >> i don't know. i think i -- for one, i'm not shy anymore. i am the person at the dinner party that is quiet and observing and having a one on one conversation. i get embarrassed when it's a lot of people and a lot of eyes. and i am still that way. i wouldn't say shy. but now, you know, on the stage, i have been doing it for a while. and it's my place to be me and to be free. and i don't feel like i'm being judged. i feel like it doesn't matter how irritated i am or angry i am or excited or in love or whatever emotion. when i get on the stage, i am just purely free. and it's -- i feel so honored every time i get on the stage because i know, you know, i've been doing this for 15 years. and it's what i love to do and so many other people that love to do the same thing and they don't get to per

they're accused of leading a brutal drive for a communist utopia that led to the so-called "killing fields" and the deaths of more than a million cambodians. the overlord of that campaign, pol pot, died in 1998. a fast-growing wildfire forced a mandatory evacuation today of los alamos new mexico. the fire began on sunday, pushed by 60-mile-an-hour winds. heavy smoke could be seen blanketing the city today. flames were near the los alamos nuclear weapons lab, but officials said all radioactive materials were protected. the city of minot, north dakota, has begun assessing its losses, after its worst flood ever. some 4,000 homes were damaged or destroyed as the souris river crested sunday, breaking a record from 1881. federal officials said fewer than 400 homes were covered by flood insurance. and in nebraska today, the flooded missouri river seeped into the turbine building at a nuclear plant near omaha. officials said pumps were working, and the site was safe. one of major league baseball's marquee franchises, the los angeles dodgers, have filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. the mov

robert knows it's utopia and the states, and the key portion that i think was most powerful was his -- and it was, reinversion of the common law rules. we said, in effect, you cannot run a sensible society by having a series of patterned principles where you know what the end states are and are going to try to figure out how it is you turn the cranks to get to them. what hayek was in defense of and knows it was in defense of, and i will list myers with respect what of i'm in defense of is give yourself stable institutions, get rules for the acquisition of property, rules for individuals, rules for voluntary exchange, rules for the prohibition against the use of force, and then you let the voluntary exchange run and see what the outcomes will be, and at the end, if you get mailing distributions and distribution -- maldistributions which you sometimes do get, that's when the other social safety net kicks in. the key feature about this is if you run the system, the resource base which you're going to have to work from is going to be far p larger and the number of people who need the syst

robert knows the utopia in the states, and the key portion that was most powerful was his -- and it was, reinvention of the common rules. we said, in effect, you cannot run a sensible society by having a series of patterned principles where you know what the end states are and they try to figure out how it is you turn the cranks to get to them. this was the argument against social planning, and what hayek was in defense of is what you do is give yourself a set of basic stable institutions, you get rules for the acquisition of property, rules for individual atonmy, rules for voluntary exchange, rules for the prohibition against force, and let the voluntary straps run and see what the outcome will be. at the end if you have maldistributions and contributions which you sometimes will get, that's when the other social safety net kicks in through voluntary means, but the key feature about this is if you run the system, the resource-base which you're going to have to work from is going to be far larger, and the number of people who will need the system will be far smaller so that the chances

little story from robert elsick who was a harvard philosopher wrote a book called "anarchy, state and utopia." they are his words but my ideas. i want to read you. the tale of the slade runs like this, first, he invites all of us to consider ourselves as the slade in the story. you are a slave at the mercy of a brutal master who forces you to work for his purposes and beats you arbitrarily. second, the mast jer decides to beat you for only breaking the laws and even grants you some free time. third, you are part of a group of slaves subject to this master. he decides on grounds acceptable to everyone how goods should be allocated among you all. fourth, the master requires his slaves to work only three days per week, granting them the other four days off. they can do as they wish during their free time. fifth, the master now allows the slaves to work wherever they wish. his main caveat is that they must send him three-seventh of their wanes corresponding to the three days of work they once had to do on his land every week. in an emergency he can force them to do his bidding once again and he

the institutions not to solve our problems but that is consistent with my sense of things the last utopia of human rights. >> she wanted to. >> that could be dedicatedent to 700 tuesday system and academic topic i have been writing about it so his book is natural. >> >> jazzier greatest influences d'arcy negative ago but is clear if youif bring lawsuits you pay the attorneys' fees regardless of who wins or losesir a proposal first-year lossth goal they ask you to live. which rule is better? i thought show. >> although more mathematical is he's but we try to talk about the fourt a items, it is a very ad role person who's so committed but that is quite inspiring. he has written controversial things than this has got a lot of attention and when you hold public office people get upset and that is the world that we live in. it is very important to say controversial things but it s is enough to where people will get upset for doing this.ou f is a very good example. >> we have spent almost two hours reviewing some of your writings. do you feel yourself is a disagreement? >> jintao speaking his m

. >> host: who is samuel moyne who you're currently reading his book the last utopia, human rights?gic he's a historian and he wrote an interesting book about human rights. the book is a fairly academic book that argues that the rise of the human rights movement should be dated to the 1970s rather than to early appeared with conventional wisdom. i'm interested in human rights as an academic topic. i've been writing about it a lot so his book was a natural book for me to read. >> host: 202-624-1111 if you live in the eastern/central time zones. 202-624-1115 for those of you in the mountain/pacific time zones. or send us an e-mail, booktv@c-span.org, or you can send a tweet, twitter.com/booktv, or at booktv is our handle. you list as your greatest influence, professor posner, stephen chevelle and cass sunstein. >> well, steven shavell is a harvard law professor who i had in law school, and you know come in the first year of law school you learn a lot of law and it's not always clear why one rule makes sense rather than another rule. and i would just use a very simple example. in great