have declined in the reasons for that and we were talking about the decline in dollars raised by v.c. firms venture capital and we can bring up a chart i just do want to show our viewers what that looks like so they can kind of see how those numbers have have changed over the years relative to what kind of the median is so there you see that and we were talking to our gas because he is from this world he's talking about some major changes so with these trends where do you turn for the kind of money and investment that's needed to fuel innovation now one may argue we wouldn't necessarily on this show but some guests have in the past that we need government investment and here's one of our past gas richard duncan talking about government investment and the need for it but distinguishing a great deal between the types of investment investment needed and not take a listen. they are going to spend the money it's only a matter of are they going to waste it on too much consumption or as they've been doing over the last ten years or are they going to invest if they invest in aggressively and transf