you did that you do in general trying to do socially responsible thing but for just the typical v.c. person they want to make dough they're in they're in it for it to make money how are they actually doing in are they happy about what the current circumstances are yeah it's a great question so now on a venture scale you need to justify seven to ten x. return typically for any i want to ten times whatever you put it that's right and that's your goal and over what holder to resign period are they anywhere from five to ten years is usually a time horizon for the venture you have to do the invest phase and then you have to do the harvest and then the return of capital but you're seeing these massive massive scale deals to the point where you know it only gives you a few options right you either got to go public or you've got to stay private but you see the onslaught in many activity both from corporate buyers but also from p. e. buyers as well you know if you look at some of the credit terms of the last ten years or so it's been very favorable for the p. e. environment just given kind of the la