v.p. biden: [indiscernable] [laughter] gov.ce president made a little -- pres. obama: where's jack? [laughter] gov. herbert: at any rate, the problem was that governor mike leavitt found out about that designation by reading the "washington post." that was the other side of the coin of not good communication. i expect all governors have got successes and probably where we could do better. and so my question to you, mr. president, really is in the effort of the national governors association. what can we do as an nga, as states, to communicate better with the federal government? and what can the federal government do better to communicate with the states, so that we have this spirit of cooperation? and really, this should go post-us. we'll all ride off into the sunset sometime, but it would be nice if we had some kind of institutional process to make sure that we work together in a collaborative fashion, communicate better, and have better outcomes on behalf of the american people. pres. obama: good. well, first of all, i think