vakhtan kybululadze is in contact with our studio, in a couple of seconds, they tell us that they willsound. so we will ask him how civilized and intelligent people suddenly so quickly turn into heroes of the film black comedy, do not look up. if you haven't seen it yet, you're free from espresso-time, that is, late at night, look don't look up, and you can. everything that runs in the news feed whether from america during the election campaign or from the united europe. vakhtan kyboladze is in touch with us, vakhtan, congratulations, glory to ukraine, to the heroes, glory, yes, i wanted to ask about, first about russian, because we see a certain transformation, it is very similar to what your colleague, the philosopher les poderevyanskyi proclaimed, no matter how hard you try. tried to talk to good, half-good russians with some rational things, tried even to make such a belief that they exist, no matter how much you read their jellyfish, bass, aster and all the other detritus of russian journalism, you understand that all these years of russian aggression did not work, cause-and-effec

with other beautiful members of pen, and again with kateryna kalytko, sofia andruhovich, with vakhtan kybululadze, and here in novohorod siverskyi, which is actually a border area, so there 20-30 km to the russian border, one man got up on meeting, it was extraordinary... but such a sincere conversation, and he told us this, he says that you won't believe it, but ukrainian writers have not come to us since 1989, 89, and we were all very impressed then, i remember, that the soviet authorities took very good care of ensuring that there were contacts between artists and writers with people farthest from... from the center in the provinces, cities, towns, villages, even there on farms, pig farms, they gave concerts everywhere, some meetings, how can it be done now, that is, there is no such propaganda apparatus, yes, what would this contact provide, but contact is needed, no matter how you see it, that 's how you can organize it on some such a wider level, because peng will not be able to anyway. to make such a contact, which is very necessary for both us and them, how can it be done? you know, i was