valentin shishkin, an expert in kenetics and nonverbal communications, opened for us, well, a whole newject on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. dear friends, the creative industry podcast is live on channel one, with you as always, host elena kiper, video producer, and roman karmanov, general director of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives. and our guests are the president of the computer sports federation, dmitry smith, and e-sportsman, dota 2 player, evgeniy pogrebeshny. hello. hello. so, regarding e-sports, firstly. the audience that is watching us now, i i think, most likely, he treats this as something generally quite distant, e-sports, or or thinks that this is a person who sits... at the computer, plays all day, this, in principle, is already an e-sports athlete, in principle, well, from a layman’s point of view, this is a person who spends a lot of time doing who knows what, well, i follow this logic, a person who once went out to play football in the yard, he has already become a football player, this is not so, this is approximately, well this is what it loo