it wasn't acceptable when the bush administration did it with valerie plame. >> why not ask them. tell the people they are doing this. look where we going with this. while they are doing this, the irs have big push to have people's electronically filed. they want your medical records electronically submitted as well, too. all this information is out there. while the world is advancing technologically they are taking advantage of us. >> eric: they want more information, then to administer our health care. and then this the way not for profit status in the tax code, they want to do the same for healthcare. >> same people that are going to deny a tea party group not for profit status, the same thugs are going to be denying you an mri, and x-ray, anything else you might need to live your life this is government using force against people's ideas, people's thoughts or politically. there can be no exception for that. there can be no excuse for that. >> there was going to be a way to protect the a.p. from this type of situation, the media shield law. darrell issa was one of 21 that voted

also caught up with subpoenas in the valerie plame. it didn't chill who ever gave this highly sensitive information. to the a.p. correspondent listener months ago so. the press has been yelling chilling effects you know for dozens of decades. and people want to leak information. walter pincus national security reporter for the washington post thank you so much for your time sir you're welcome. on now to the case of the self-proclaimed hacker and troll andrew arnheim are known as the digit to the digital world as we've he is the twenty seven year old who was sentenced to forty one months in federal prison for discovering a security flaw on eighty's website and then releasing the personal data of some one hundred fourteen i pad users to gawker but even prison bars haven't been able to keep this computer whiz off of the internet that is until now during his first weeks in prison and you have found a way to tweet about his condition through a friend who's also posting reportings to his sound cloud account talking about his experience from

in which i recycle content on a and also caught up with subpoenas and the valerie plame shit. oh. it didn't chill who ever again which is highly sensitive information. to the a.p. correspondent less than a month ago. so. the pressure is when yelling chilling effects you know for dozens or decade. and people want to leak information. walter pincus national security reporter for the washington post thank you so much for your time sir you're welcome. still ahead here on ars he found a security gap in eighteen tees website and were rewarded with a forty one month sentence in jail now he's in solitary confinement for tweeting about his conditions from inside jail we'll speak to andrew are in higher sawyer after the break. is it possible to navigate the economy with all the details to just take information and media hype will keep you up to date by decoding the mainstream headlines they take it in your right. the worst to follow through. i don't. really. want. to get you never seen anything like i'm still. on the case of a self-proclaimed hacker and troll and you are in high more known

agent valerie plame's identity. a white house wants comey confirmed before current f.b.i. director robert mueller steps down in early september. top senate republicans tell us he should have little trouble and former attorney general ashcroft offered this about comey: "he has a backbone that would make steel jealous." >> dubois: major, thank you. it has been a deadly 24 hours on the streets of chicago, a city plagued by gang violence. a teenager was shot to death this afternoon and four other people-- including a 56-year-old woman-- have been gunned down since yesterday. street violence is among the many concerns chicago parents have as their children are forced to move to new schools. dean reynolds reports it's part of one of the biggest mass closings of public schools in american history. >> reporter: at the courtenay elementary school on chicago's north side, sonnie atwood is eagerly anticipating the move her son river is making to a school five blocks away. >> change is part of life and sometimes it happens out of nowhere. like this. >> reporter: and you have to be res

>> dana: you said in the monologue it was valerie plame. >> you are going to be editing the talking pointshe community assessment to make talking points for themselves. >> bob: that is the number one question. if that is case. these talking points get handled by a lot of different agencies. if they altered the facts in the talking points, then somebody is in deep trouble. if they edited it as normally through a government process, they didn't want this out. they want that piece out. if they took facts and changed them, then somebody has to fall for it. >> this is white house chief of staff. dennis, mcdonough, he brought donuts. >> one question, susan rice going testify? >> bob: she is getting an award tomorrow. >> eric: hey she is the one that did the talking points. >> dana: believe me there were people that were running through her paces. at any point did somebody say, i don't think this is story is going to hold on up. >> do we have a license to call ambassador rice. >> greg: point about the donuts, why did they bring the donuts? >> there is a hole in the story. [ laughter ] >> kimberly

doctor valerie plame. >> now you have more. >>. >> i'm not sure it rises to the level of benghazi and. i agree. if you are leaking classified information in a way that is going to compromise counter terrorism activities, i'm an american before i'm a journalist. i hope we get the persons particularly if it's going to affect countered terrorism activities. so did the administration behave within the parameters of the law and to charles' point whether it's casting too wide a net. >> bret: the scandal is what is next when we come back. [ male announcer ] hunt...farm...or trail... polaris has what you want. legendary atvs.. led by the powerful sportsman 850 ho. value-minded side-by-sides... featuring the new ranger 800 midsize. and full-size workhorses including the all-new, class-leading, 60-horsepower, ranger xp 900. polaris. hardest working, smoothest riding. huge rebates d low financing are available right now during the polaris xp sales event. i did? when visa signature asked everybody what upgraded experiences really mattered... you suggested luxury car service instd of "strength tra

. >> and you remember the fuss over valerie plame? remember the leak?he fact that this woman happened to work for the government doing spreads in "vanity fair" and married to a high profile ambassador. they went crazy over that and this was just a manufacturing -- >> i love how wrangle doesn't want to compare obama to nixon. what obama has done is so much worse than breaking into a hotel. it is so much worse. there is no comparison. >> seriously? >> what nixon did creating the epa was much worse. >> i want to ask mike a question about ryan fogel, the guy kicked out of russia for spying. you talk about the wig. the fsb says he was in possession of two floppy wigs and three pairs of glasses and a map of moscow when he was detained. is this austin powers? >> you know what, sometimes -- who knows. i don't want to speculate about what the story was or who he is with and what was going on. all i am saying is you have to dumb things down. in the world of spies, sometimes they are the best things. >> have i to go. >> all right, andy, coming up i am all buzzed,

i would say two words about whistleblowers, joe wilson and valerie plame. media gave endless coverage to these courageous men and women who came forward to tell the truth about the bush administration. you've got this whistleblower. what do we know now? we know that obama could have prevented this, there were assets he could have used. we know that, who did this, and we haven't arrested them. this man is disguising his face out of fear. what does that tell you? these are all stories that could be reported. when carney says it's an old story, that's an old clinton trick. they did that during all of whitewater, every time a new angles came out against clinton, they said that's an old story and the media bit every time. they're doing it again. it's not old. it's very new. >> sean: the president goes out with doom and gloom on sequestration, saying people will be left out in the cold, they're silent victims. watch this. >> by fixing only flight delays, some democrats say less vocal victims of the budget slashing have been left out in cold, leaving millions of a

that president bush promised to do that and he didn't do that when it came to the whole issue of valerie plamend the exposure on that, yet there were people in the white house who knew about that that weren't fired. so the word is you're fired and it should come from the president of the united states. this is very serious. we went through watergate and abuse of power. every democrat should be as concerned about this as if it were a republican president and that's the test of crisis management. do you apply the same standard of transparency and being proactive and i've had words about the way the white house handled the benghazi matter as well as now this a.p. story is very troubling. that's the test of crisis management. do you apply the same standard of transparency and being proactive and i've had words about the way the white house handled the benghazi matter as well as now this a.p. story is very troubling. >> one of the problems it seems to me is he recused himself from this decision making process and therefore felt today he couldn't even talk about it because he wasn't the guy who took

that president bush promised to do that and he didn't do that when it came to the whole issue of valerie plame exposure on that, yet there were people in the white house who knew about that that weren't fired. so the word is you're fired and it should come from the president of the united states. this is very serious. we went through watergate and abuse of power. every democrat should be as concerned about this as if it were a republican president and that's the test of crisis management. do you apply the same standard of transparency and being proactive and i've had words about the way the white house handled the benghazi matter as well as now this a.p. story is very troubling. >> let's come to the a.p. story. eric holder very strong today, saying that it was an extraordinary leak, the worst he could remember basically, posing a great threat to the lives of americans. does that in itself justify what they did in terms of basically going after the associated press and potentially checking the records of up to 100 journalists? >> well, full disclosure, i'm not only a friend but a great admirer

. >> jay carney was talking when they were subject to subpoenas investigating the leaks about valerie plame and our public understanding, they were very targeted to specific reporters who they knew had conversations, not 100 reporters at "time" magazine. >> yes, absolutely. and today the president spoke about the need to find a balance between national security interests and the first amendment. and my only question to jay would be, your administration has had twice as many leak investigations as every other administration combined. in this case, you went very broad in the subpoenaing of a.p. reporters. how can you say you're hitting that balance if you're on the very far end of it? >> alex, the -- will the a.p. story stay alive, given that the white house has come out with this? hey, we support a shield law. isn't that basically calling congress's hand on this? because they're not going to pass -- >> well, sam and i were talking about this before. it's very convenient for the white house to renew their support for the media shield law at this point in time. i also think, there were two thi

if you did it over a mickey mouse, unimportant trivial, alleged leak over valerie plame, and you had millions of dollars, a year or two spent on that, surely the corruption of the irs -- and the question is, how does this happen? is cincinnati? is that a hotbed of left wing activity? obviously there's an atmosphere here, and somebody has to find it. has to have a subpoena. it cannot be the treasury department or anybody involved in this administration. it can't even be the doj. it's got to be from the outside. >> bret: we will try to get more information on how many questions he'll take with the turkish prime minister tomorrow. >> the over/under is two. >> bret: much more on the other side of the break. we'll go into the ap investigation. what's happening there, and what happened with the attorney general on the hill today. save on boat and motorcycle insurance too. other insurance companies are green with envy. oh, no, no, no...i'm sorry, but this is all wrong? i would never say that. writer: well what would you say? gecko: well i'd probably emphasize the savings. ya know...lose tha

pick patrick fitzgerald as the special prosecutor who went after the scooter libby, dick cheney, valerie plame

fraud abuse or government illegality a leak serves no public purpose so for example disclosing valerie plame sinemet in order to get back at her husband joe wilson that would be a leak that serves no public purpose and certainly that's inappropriate and certainly that should be prevented now disclosing waste fraud and abuse that the n.s.a. disclosing war crimes like the collateral murder video those actions will qualify as whistle blowing and i think that's where the law needs to be drawn because it's not properly classified information if it's done in order to cover up embarrassment or illegality that's interesting kind of distinction here between whistleblowers and leakers and it reminds me of the benghazi hearings we had recently you know the witnesses who testified in front of congressman darrell i said they've been called whistleblowers and their license has gone out of his way to say these are whistleblowers who deserve all these protections so here's two questions out of this. one are they really whistleblowers i mean if these people really didn't present any evidence of wrongdoing or

pick patrick fitzgerald as the special prosecutor who went after the scooter libby, dick cheney, valerie plame outing the cia officer investigation, that bombshell investigation back in 2003. most famously, james comey was the guy who had the car chase to the hospital room and then the middle of the night hospital room stand-off with george w. bush's chief of staff and his white house counsel. when they ambushed john ashcroft who was basically half dead from acute pancreatitis in the hospital and they tried to get him to sign off in the hospital on a surveillance program that he believed to be illegal. that was james comey at the stand-off in the hospital room. and that was him threatening to quit in protest. and that was him then telling the whole sordid story under oath. that was him. in npr last night and "the new york times," they were the first to report it but it looks like james comey will be tapped by president obama to lead the fbi. yes, that makes him the latest in a long list of republicans who this democratic president has appointed to high-ranking positions in his administration.

one is that since valerie plame in the bush years, the justice department has become far more aggressive in going after the national security leaks. the obama administration has been far more gref than any in history. and even whatever the president thinks personally about investigative reporters, that is just a fact. so reporters know that going in. i think it is fair to say, and i share the concern about the breadth of this scene that. a it is fair to say that people in this town who do reporting around classified information, know that you don't do it on e-mail and you don't do it on phones that are registered in your name. that has been true for a long time, too. so i don't think this is something that shuts down further reporting on national security. that said, i do think there is a real concern about the breadth. you can continue to see an expansion of this sort of investigative power. something that by popular consensus after watergate, the american public, the press, and various administrations agreed was not ideal for our system of government. we wanted a free exchange of infor

>> special prosecutor who, of course, led the investigation of the whole leaking of valerie plame and resulted in the president's chief of staff -- the vice president's chief of staff being convicted. and at the same time led to the breach, quite frankly, politically,-- not that it was intended-- between george bush and dick cheney. i mean, that was the cleavage, comey was -- i mean not that comey set out to do it but because he did stand up and he did warn that enhanced interrogation and waterboarding would come back -- it would be revealed and it would come back and humiliate and hurt the united states of america and he was absolutely right. >> woodruff: so does the president, david, then avoid a fight by choosing him? >> right. he avoids a fight. the other potential talked about person was sort of involved in benghazi in tangential ways so there was an opportunity that the confirmation hearing would turn into another benghazi occasion so if the nomination comes through i'd be vised if there was much fighting. >> brown: there would be some criticism from the american civil liberties

. >> victoria was involved in the valerie plame.ve possibly been blown by scooter libby. >> stephanie: here's well-known southern belle lindsey graham. >> it is not so much about blaming people as it is -- four overseas four at home. one is dead. radical islam is on the march. we need to up our game. clearly to me, the system did not work the way it was supposed to. i'm shocked that this happened after 9-11 where people no longer talk to each other. i thought we had gotten over that. >> i'm shocked we didn't arrest everybody wearing a baseball cap with a backpack. we should have known. should have looked in your crystal ball and see there are some bad bad -- >> stephanie: okay. two dufuses learned to use a kitchen appliance off the internet. not connected to a larger terrorist plot. russia doesn't share all of the intelligence with us that they have and i love that. it is not about blaming people. it is the black guy's fault. speak of racist -- travis says please, we've been offered donald trump. >> computer says no. >> no. >> steph

me about valerie plame.was bob novack, right who wrote that column and it was members of the bush administration who leaked her identity. they committed a federal crime and they were not held responsible for it. >> caller: but you have to agree there has been some loose and frenzied reporting lately. >> bill: look, kris, i'm sorry but nobody's -- i'm as critical of the media i think as anybody in the media. if you watch or listen to the show, you should know that. i'm not always defending the media but in this case, eric holder says that this was the most -- one of the two or three most serious national security issues that he had ever seen and this was leaked. well, the fact is i don't buy that. in this case, this was an attempt to blow up an airliner coming to the united states, our intelligence agencies found out about it. they got the guys. they thwarted the attacks. they saved hundreds of lives. and the administration was about to report this and then a.p. reported it first. so you know, why does that j

in the past, by the way, when investigators were appointed, remember the valerie plame case in the bush administration. gregg: oh, yeah. >> john ashcroft who was attorney general stepped aside the whole thing. his deputy appointed patrick fitzgerald to investigate. gregg: we'll see what happens here. byron york, good to see you what happens. >> thank you, gregg. heather: gregg in the wake of these investigations a top democrat announcing a new "gang of eight" of senators will take a closer look government will investigate he is leaks. to strell what is being called the media shield bill. >> what i will propose with lindsey graham and with four democrats and four republicans another "gang of eight", i love these gangs of eight i guess. to set up rules, if a government wants to go to a member of the press, saying you have to divulge your sources and information they first have to go to a judge. that judge will impose a balancing test. heather: republican senator lindsey graham is cosponsoring the legislation with senator schumer. this same bill was under consideration four years ago but n

>> valerie plame. >> valerie playbill. they expose her. >> that'srieson. >> that's treason. i am so sick of this. and harry reid and nance pelosi i put them at the top of this. when they had the opportunity, to take away that. >> bill: arnold i've just got to say the one thing you can count on all of these scandal did or any pseudo scandal is for the republicans to overplay their hand. you are absolutely right. and mike huckabee saying this is going to end the -- obama is never going to finish his term. you get james inhoff talking about impeachment and other people saying this is on nixonian. the saving grace is republicans will always go too far. they already have. >> arnold thingsks we should fire eric holder. when you have lost arnold, you have lost the country >> bill: the take from eliot spitzer here next on the "full-court press." >> get social on bill press. like us at facebook.com/billpressshow. this is "the bill press show." [ music ] audience for the visual candy. just be grateful current tv does not come in smellivision. the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could

attorney in chicago, to invest gate a republican in the bush administration for the valerie plame leak. he's dedicated and very experienced. i think he will be well respected in the fbi. >> fran townsend, appreciate you being here. >>> the chinese baby rescued from a sewer pipe in dramatic video seen around the world. that baby is home this morning with his maternal grandparents. known as patient 59 is drinking formula and is being nursed back to health. left the hospital now with his maternal grandparents. rescuers had to carefully cut the pipes surrounding him in sections in order to get that baby free. so far, police believe the 22-year-old mother's story that this was just a terrible accident. she is not facing any charges. so interesting the world has watched this baby for the past several days. this is not really a widely told story within china. >> it is so hard to believe that it could be an accident. >>> 13 minutes after the hour. ahead on "starting point," the american mother, grandmother jailed in mexico speaks out from behind bars making a desperate plea. hear her tearful d

when your talking points game up the valerie plame situation came out. leak of a cia covert operative that did endanger lives. when you have a politically driven leak where you have an administration that says i'll punish joe wilson by leaking his wife's name do we want prosecution for the leaker in that case. it's a very nuanced question. >> what they didn't want in the media was the fact on the one year anniversary of the bin laden killing there's a retaliatory attack planned. it was not designed to capture bin laden to have had some negative consequences for national security. look, again this, is the big story we're hearing about in the media whether or not the ap threatened national security by publishing a story the government knew was coming out. we may never know the answer to that. this was designed to intimidate. they were looking at seven journalists but got phone records to iv different lines in four bureaus. there's these guidelines that are supposed to be in place to limit the practice of using these subpoenas to go after phone records of j

they basically -- he just outed -- it is another valerie plame situation. >> stephanie: here's representativesial. we're willing to make changes. at the same time, he enlisted help to get a media shield law passed in congress. >> the media shield law should be a very strong whistle-blower protection. if the reporters engage like pentagon paper style stuff where they're showing the illegal activity is happening within the u.s. government, there should be direct protection for that. if they have a friend who works you know, that used to work under dick cheney and knows everybody at the pentagon still in place for the administration and is trying to undercut their political point by this buddy/buddy relationship, that's damaging the national security. no one benefits from that. if we've got c.i.a. people or people who are feeding us information who are going to get killed simply because of a scoop -- >> stephanie: yeah, exactly. >> that's not the same thing as something illegal happen and we need to let people know. >> stephanie: 46 minutes after the hour. right back with the final moments of hu

. >> i know he was involved in the valerie plame affair and refused to give up his source in the administration when fitzpatrick deposed him. i didn't hear this kind of talk during the bush administration. i find it refreshing that certainly journalists are suddenly concerned about national security and that trump is actually going out angle figuring out what the truth is. let's go back to eric holder, if that is okay. mike, fascinating eric holder or somebody close to eric holder leaking he is starting to feel refor remor remorseful. what is that about? >> i think he would feel remorse given the weight of law that has seemed to have fallen on reporters. my review is the reporters are going to be fine, the press is going to be fine. it's the sources and the intimidation of potential sources of whistle-blowers that this has a chilling effect on. that's the real cause for concern. >> willie, especially on national security issues here. again, i read politico, i think it was dylan biers was somewhat skeptical of the remorsefulness after the news came out. >> the remorse probably should have some e

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magazine" would have been appropriate because jay worked with matt cooper when he got ensnared in the valerie plamealso, jay had been a correspondent in moscow, moscow bureau chief. he understood a lot about international policy, classified secrets, and leaks. it was an appropriate question to ask him. all of us could see in the room that jay was torn. he was trying not to involve himself in the response. he was trying to respond to the president of united states as a a spokesperson, but he was also saying that this was a balancing act that the president was trying to achieve. what is interesting is that jay was not trying to get any further ahead of the president and the president wanted to be by the time the president gave his speech on thursday about the counterterrorism policy. the president moved again from jay not talking about reporters doing their jobs in any direct way, then saying the president did not think it was a crime for journalists to do their work as investigative reporters, and in the president moved further to say, i talked to the attorney general, and he shares my concern. reme

magazine" would have been appropriate because jay worked with matt cooper when he got ensnared in the valerie plame case. also, jay had been a correspondent in moscow, moscow bureau chief. he understood a lot about international policy, classified secrets, and leaks. it was an appropriate question to ask him. all of us could see in the room that jay was torn. he was trying not to involve himself in the response. he was trying to respond to the president of united states as a a spokesperson, but he was also saying that this was a balancing act that the president was trying to achieve. what is interesting is that jay was not trying to get any further ahead of the president and the president wanted to be by the time the president gave his speech on thursday about the counterterrorism policy. the president moved again from jay not talking about reporters doing their jobs in any direct way, then saying the president did not think it was a crime for journalists to do their work as investigative reporters, and in the president moved further to say, i talked to the attorney general, and he shares my concer