want to bring in former cia operative valerie plame.w running for congress as a democrat >>> thanks for being with us. how important is it that the whistle-blower's identity remain secret, not only for that person but any other potential whistle-blower out there. >> hi, good evening, anderson. thanks for having me. it's absolutely crucial what the president is doing is illegal and harassment. whistle-blowers need to feel if they come forward to point out mismanagement, corruption, wrongdoing, that their identity will be protected. i think what trump has been doing yesterday and reiterated again today asking essentially for his henchmen to go out and dig around and reveal the identity of the whistle-blower is immoral. it's outrageous. and we can't function as a democracy, as a government, if you put the ice on those who seek to come forward and say, you know, that's not quite right. >> it's also interesting given the mueller report, we know that when the president during the campaign said, russia, if you're listening, find those emails,

i want to bring in former cia operator valerie plame, who has a valuable perspective on this.cover was blown in the bush administration after her husband blew the whistle on the rationale for going to war with iraq. she's now running for congress at a democrat in new mexico. thanks for being with us. based on your own experience, you obviously have a unique vantage point on this. how important is it that the whistle-blower's identity remain secret not only for that person but for any other potential whistle-blower out there? >> good evening, anderson. thanks for having me. it's absolutely crucial. what the president is doing is illegal and if they come forward to point out mismanagement, corruption, wrongdoing. that their identity will be protected. i think what trump has been doing yesterday and reiterated again today, asking essentially for them to go out and dig around and reveal the identity of the whistleblower is immoral. outrageous. we can't function as a democracy if you put the ice on those that seek to come forward and say, you know, that's not quite right. >> and it

i was listening to your interview with valerie plame and she talked about how security is being hollowed yovanovitch about how the state department has been hollowed out. virginia beach, newport news, it's all navy. people are telling me trump's favorables are dropping a lot. it's wonder if it's because they understand better than civilians do how national security could be compromised in this. but they do have to worry and the democrats should do their job saying this is how it affects you. it's not just people we've never heard of arguing about places we've never been, this is your security. friends of mine have kids in the military. we need -- the democrats need to make sure that our security is being played with here allegedly in this case. >> in the clinton white house, "the new york times" wrote aides to president and president clinton studied watergate to see what went wrong and what went right in that and one of the less takeaways was that nixon talked about what was going on constantly and the lesson was send the message to the american people that the president is conducting fo

an attorney who a lot of people believe was the difference between karl rove coming out of the valerie plame special counsel, safe, legally speaking. his client submitted three new pages of testimony before his than script was released, amending the decision to be more in line of testimony of the others but the bombshell there was no irregular policy channel. there was the channel. it was run by donald j. trump, mike pence, mike pompeo the secretary of state. that channel directed an extortion of the government, the country of ukraine in exchange for dirt on joe biden. full stop. >> what do the republicans do on this committee? >> i mean, you know, what do they do? maybe they pray for the southern district of new york to indict rudy giuliani and try to blame it on him. i think they can't be unmoved. here's the other bombshell today. he essentially calls into question john bolton's role. john bolton's had the very angelic -- he's left an impression of being on the side of angels but if the operation -- if there was one channel and it was run by the president, the vice president and mike pompe