leaking valerie wilson's name was a possible federal offense. scooter libby had to worry about his role in that and had to worry about what dick cheney's role in that was, too. wasn't just covering up a political act. it was covering up a possible crime. so he took one not for the team. he took one for his leader, being cheney, not bush, and i think cheney is being somewhat of a standup guy. i think he's delusional when he says scooter libby was an is innocent person. he was trying to protect the guy. >> when sean penn shows up playing joe wilson in the movies, i think the public will know who the good guy is. >> hollywood gets the last word. >> they do, don't they? let me ask you about any other story coming out of this. besides scooter's guilt and all that. >> a little one, not as important or interesting as this. but this does reflect a difference of views after the presidency this. fight that takes place in the final 72 hours, 36 hours, does reflect how they are going to behave and perform after -- >> how they differ. bush comes back to do t