i've not heard a satisfactory answer. >> vali, the end seems to be in president obama's own words, enoughic contact to break the taliban and bring them to the negotiating table. that's where the end would be, around the negotiating table. has that happened to a satisfactory degree now? and do you think it will by next summer? >> no, i don't think it's happened. we have had gains against the taliban but there has not been a turning point in this war. the taliban's back has not been broken. we've done well where we have put troops in but this is very much lack of motive. go in, taliban goes somewhere else. we have to chase them. it's true as george said, we don't have the capacity to chase them everywhere and have to find a way to bring the war to a conclusion. the president decided counter insurgency doesn't work. what happened in iraq is not happening in afghan. what he hasn't presented, what do we do with the war going forward? there is no convincing strategy. >> the military in briefing senior officials, said that actually the president has not abandoned counter insurgency, they are goi