the max drawdown for van burkm -- can you tell me.aybe i'm looking at the wrong set of numbers. 44.7 doesn't really bother me, but i like to know how you got that number. >> there's a graphical example underneath, the underwater draw down. you can see it happened in the depth of the 2008-2009 recession. the blue line, which didn't far as fall, as the vva strategy, and this is the russell index, which fell further. >> so it was over a period of time that that drawdown occurred. >> it started to drop until you get back to the recovery. so it's there on that page and numbers above it -- >> performed by almost 10%. >> the question had to do with the performance numbers, the numbers on your page five. your numbers are not that compelling. are there better, more current numbers? >> the december numbers, the fourth quarter quarter of 2017 were strong, so they bounced back. they outperformed the bench mark for the entire year. >> what are your numbers, then? >> yes, for the calendar year 2017, these numbers are as of september 30th, 2017, the