van hollen and me and mr. ryan can collaborate and find those things. because i promise i want to be a partner with you in identifying those programs and pursuing even further reductions. >> will the gentleman yield? just to be clear, what i said is that there may be some programs were you require more savings than what you're proposing for in 2008, but there may be other programs were you realize you need to invest more and create jobs and that people back to work. what i am not for is an arbitrary acts approach. we need to do this methodically and be mindful of the impact of what we're doing, and coming by for the house with a resolution that does not have a number when we get a number on wednesday, and giving the budget chairman this unprecedented authority without even allowing us -- you, too -- and no. -- a book on that number. i find it unbelievable. >> i find it unbelievable in fairness. i cannot believe that my first two weeks in congress, my first chance to represent people back home, is to do the work that did not get done less year. i know th