i mean, i remember one of our directors' dinners, and van galbraith was coming from paris and it was late in the evening, and much wine had been consumed, and van was the most ebolient person i ever met. so van was van and van had had a few, and this was sort of like late in reagan's first term, and it was not clear that reagan was going to run again. there was real doubt out there, and a lot of it fueled by nancy because she was not sure that he could win re-election. and there was a very bad recession, and she didn't want her husband to risk defeat, and that fueled a lot of uncertainty and speculation. so van said, well, bill, you should run. and he was kind of serious about this. kind of serious about this. and bill was listenle to it kind of seriously. i mean, not seriously seriously, but kind of seriously. then i did one of the things that just kind of astonished me when i thought about it, because i remember what happened. i got up to go -- i had had a few myself. bill shook my hand as i was leaving, and i said, well, the discussion has taken an unserious term. what rude thing t