staffer van lathan was there to call kanye out in person. >> producer van lathan taking west to task about the slavery comment. >> while you are making music and being an artist, the rest of us in society have to deal with these threats to our lives. frankly, i'm disappointed. i'm appalled. and, brother, i am unbelievably hurt by the fact that you have morphed into something to me that's not real. >> trevor: wow. that was powerful. that was really, really powerful. and you know there was one scared white person in that office who was like, "hello, police." ( laughter ) ( applause ) "two black people arguing in the office right now." you know, normally, i wouldn't really care what kanye west said about slavery or black history, but what does suck is that now every member of the tiki torch club out there is going to use kanye's words to justify their hate. basically, the way kanye samples old-school soul music is how racists are going to sample him now. they'll be like ♪ black folks have choices like slavery ♪ so, look, kanye may think he's just being a free thinker, but the truth is,

slavery being a choice that's so stupid we're not going to dignify it with an answer but tmz reporter van lathanad a good answer for kanye and you can look that up online. announcer: when we return, do you know what that sound is? a new online museum preserving endangered sounds before they're gone. how many do you recognize? soledad: kids today will never know the sound of inserting a game cartridge into a nintendo. that's just one of the sounds technology has erased but there's an effort to save all those nostalgic noises. it's called conserve the sound. it's an online museum for vanishing and endangered noises. remember the clicks. of the rotary phone? what about pressing play on a walkman? and word processing has definitely changed a lot. even the sound of typing on cell phone keyboards is becoming a thing of the past. that's why conserve the sound once -- wants to archive those disappearing sounds. the project started in 2013 with funding from a german art and film institute, but it has grown substantially as more sounds fade into oblivion. that's it for this edition of matter of fact. i am

. >> that last voice there van lathan, tmz producer. west did tweet, "to make myself clear, of course i know that slaves did not get shackled and put on a boat by free will. my point is to have stayed in that position even though the number were on our side was means that we were mentally enslaved. my next guest, her great, great grandfather was a slave who was sold to georgetown university. maxine, welcome back. i really wanted to hear from you on these comments. contemptible, yes. but for you, the subject of slavery is personal. when up heard kanye west, what were you thinking? >> my first thought was that i was listening to someone who wasn't thinking and hadn't thought. and as far as it being personal to me about slavery, it's personal to a lot of african-americans who descended from slavery. that's part of america's population, those who descended from slavery. >> but more than that, i mean -- >> so middle eastly ostly i was someone who wasn't thinking and hadn't thought about this. >> kanye west also did a host with charlemagne. i

that's when van lathan, a tmz employee fired back. >> i actually don't think you're thinking anything. i think what you're doing right now is actually the absence of thought. and the reason why i feel like that is because kanye, you're entitled to your opinion, you're entitled to believe whatever you want. but there is fact and real-world, real-life consequence behind everything that you just said. the rest of us in society have to deal with these threats to our lives. we have to deal with the marginalization that has come from the 400 years of slavery that you said for our people was a choice. >> west later took to twitter to clarify his comments saying, of course i know that slaves did not get shackled and put on a boat by free will. my point, he said, is for us to have stayed in that position. even though the numbers were on our side means that we were mentally enslaved. look, kanye west is almost the perfect artist for this generation. he generates publicity with everything he does, positive and in this case very negative. should we pay attention to it? i don't know. does it help

but at the time, they seemed pretty clear to tmz staff member van lathan, who confronted him on air. consequence behind everything that you just said. we have to deal with the marginalisation that has come from the 400 years of slavery that you said for our people was a choice. frankly, i'm disappointed, i'm appalled and brother, i am unbelievably hurt by the fact that you have morphed into something, to me, that's not real. joining me live from los angeles is entertainment journalist kj matthews. hello to you. thanks for being with us. it's good to see you. what do you make of mister west's comments, that he says now have been misrepresented? the thing about kanye, whenever you misrepresented? the thing about ka nye, whenever you think misrepresented? the thing about kanye, whenever you think it can get worse, it does. when your prince ‘s most, it is something shocking and disappointing and now something revolting. i think this is the worst thing he has ever said or done. that says something. you have to go back to the dealer swift moment, the time you said george bush doesn't like

. >> reporter: producer van lathan taking west to task about the slavery comment. >> while you are doingthe rest of us in society have to deal with our threats to our lives. frankly, i'm disappointed. i am appalled and frankly, brother, i am unbelievably hurt that you have morphed into something, to me, that is not real. >> reporter: west tried to apologize, but he stood his ground. >> people in their hearts feel like these are things that they want to say to him. people are happy and feeling a certain way about the fact that somebody said it. >> reporter: afterwards west going on a twitter tirade saying in one tweet, once again i am being attacked for presenting new ideas. it is just west's latest high-profile rant to make headlines. >> taylor, i'm really happy for you. i'm let you finish, but beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. >> you ain't got the answers. i been doing this more than you. >> doing what? come on, chill out. >> you ain't got the answers. >> george bush doesn't care about black people. >> reporter: just last week west faced an online backlash after tweeting a