my name is van van deepen. for about 14 years, i ran the office and the state department responsible for among other things missile nonproliferation. preventing the spread of tma missiles is among the president's highest national security priorities. for years he served as national intelligence officer for weapons of mass destruction and proliferation and worked for the u. s. department of state until late 2016. so through all that time, i had some level of responsibility for dealing with the carly problem, the, the carl lee problem. when us intelligence agencies going about their daily business of collecting communication data 1st came across suspicious transactions by a chinese businessman. no one suspected the dimensions, it would eventually assume the that would have been in the early 2, thousands, i think, every day, as part of my job responsibilities, i would be reading the intelligence reporting that came in overnight. and there would have been some, what we call, ron intelligence reporting, that would h