look, if you're rip van winkle waking up today, opening up "the wall street journal" seeing one in sixhat are 25 to 54 are out of work, you're thinking, gee, this is a serious recession we're in. this is really bad timing for us. melissa: professor harvey, thanks for coming on the show. i hope you come back again. >> will do. melissa: let's go to john lonski, moody's chief economist for his take? with is your take on what you heard? he is pretty adamant? >> what he says agrees with a good deal of anecdotal evidence i come across. i find only people benefiting from the jobwise, labor lawyers helping companies understand the affordable care act. i run into so many situations where small business owners tell me, i'm not going to expand my business beyond 50 employees. and that's not good. we need jobs. we want to encourage businesses to grow and expand. melissa: but you know, that makes a lot of intellectual sense that would be a response. those who argue against that say, somebody who has a business they really want to grow, they need a certain amount of labor, you can't artificially hol

know, the hottest drink on wall street is not a screaming eagle cabernet like it used to be, it's van winklejust -- >> we're busting into it, totally. >> now, a lot of this is -- it's not, like, jack daniels and the big -- the big makers, it's a o also -- it's a lot of home ground -- >> the whole brooklyn, small-batch, everything movement has, of course, come to bourbon -- >> people drink that? >> yeah, they could. >> what's the point of purr b bourbon -- >> what's the point? >> wine yesterday, bourbon today. >> i don't think the wine was that good, it was skunked. >> over the whole mouth. >> one of the sweeter -- >> what's that? >> bottom's up. >> my fee iance is a big whiske drinker, so how did it go from being down market to trendy among young people? >> it was one company's hail mary pass. in the '50s, a big bourbon boom, and a hangover in the '70s and '80s and all of the distilleries went down market, and they started mixing it with drinks. >> why are people drinking this? >> because now there's a new movement of very high-end, very kind of, you know, handcrafted super premium bourbon -