vance what he meant and saying things are solidly true. j.d. vance, thanks so much for coming on. tell us -- that was a very short snippet of a much longer speech. a really interesting speech that people should read. but what were you saying? >> thanks, tucker. folks want to help us out, j.d.vance.com. what we were saying is we are effectively run in the country are run by a bunch of childless cat ladies be admissible in the choices in their lives have made and want to make anybody else miserable too. kamala harris, pete buttigieg, aoc, the democrats are run by people with no children. i wanted to ask the question and propose that may be if we want a healthy ruling class in this country we should invest more, but more, support more people who actually have kids.

vance and the trajectory there. j.d.ly dumbing himself down in this campaign. the ohio senate primary is a race to the bottom. not only who can be more trumpy, but who can be cruder about playing the cultural warfare cards. you see what's happened for people like elise stefanik, nikki haley, j.d. vance, these are people that could have been the future of an alternative republican party, that other republican party that you're talking about, well, look what they've done. look what they're doing to themselves. look how they're willing to abase themselves. it's not just that j.d. vance is, you know, had this moment of recognition of the trump voter, but also understood that trump was heroin, it's that he's remade himself, not just remade himself in the image of trump, but remade himself into one of the crudest, dumbest versions of it. really, it is extraordinary, and you know, as you say, you know, human nature is endlessly interesting. we think we've seen all of the various versions of people abasing themselves or, you kno

vance puts it in a nutshell.ersonally would like american generals to read less about white rage, whatever that is, and more about not losing wars. just so in afghanistan, we have taken 20 years to lose to goat it temperatures to it not waiting for us to leave lose basketball and boom boxes. the world's most lavishly funded and entirely useless general staff thinks we need more diversity seminars a couple of months back on this very show i interviewed tucker carlson and tucker talked about demographic replacement and the left went bananas and demanded he be fired the jelly fish curled up in the fetal position. j.d. vance said tucker carlson is the only powerful figure who consistently challenges lee let dogma on both cultural and economic questions. that's why they try to destroy him. one more from an interview about his conversion to catholicism, quote, i think the republican party has been too long partnership between social conservatives and market libertarians and i don't think social conservatives have benef

vance personifies it. when you have a personal conversation i've had personal conversations with j.d. vance along with mitt romney so this is particularly shocking to me. after you talk personally to somebody about what their values are and how they feel about something, and now this is it -- >> the j.d. vance you met personally is a different person than the one we're seeing? >> without a doubt. >> the j.d. vance you could have heard talk two years ago, he went to yale law school. the second effort has been prevailing in the republican party for the last five years. what is the line what's the hurt in humoring him for a little bit longer? this is essentially cover your eyes and hope for the best in 2022 >> the big difference here, though, in making decisions now, is they've seen what happened for the four years of donald trump being in office and they saw what happened on january 6th. this has all unfolded after the riot on the capitol. in the beginning, yes, we had so many republicans saying i'm going to

vance needs.icrocosm of what's happening in the republican party. you had someone that said fellow christians, everyone is watching us when we apologize for this man, god help us, j.d. vance, you have the former chairwoman of the state party who supported john kasich. all of these people are like they're shrines to donald trump. it's shameful. you know, we are six months now past his attempt to overthrow the election. this could have been a race between three people of differing visions. you know, j.d. vance more populist, josh van del more tea party, other candidates more traditional establishment but it's not that. it's a competition to, yes, both do what you guys are saying and represent the fights that donald trump fights and the people that need to be torn down and the people that need to be defeated, the elites and the left, but it's also an effort to just suck up to one guy and that is very much still happening and j.d. vance is the starkest example of the flip-flop but it's happening acros

vance, that's going to be fascinating to watch.rue, he diagnosed and explained who trump voters were. and the fact that he didn't think trump was the answer to it is note worthy, and that he deleted it. he realizes now in today's politics that's not an option for him if he wants to get the nomination. >> his story is so important, so compelling and so telling as john said. this is, as someone who talked, it's a striking turn of events. >>> dana, there was something nice to talk about in politics. can we do that for a moment? >> please. >> that was this moment caught on camera -- not caught on camera -- on camera where ron desantis, governor of florida is pra praising joe biden. can we play it? >> can't always go about this with -- a simple act of everybody doing whatever needs to be done, it really makes a difference. >> well, thank you, mr. president. and you recognized the severity of this tragedy from day one. you guys have not only been supportive at the federal level. we've had no bureaucracy. >> that's just good to see. >> it

cy vance is the only person to get trump's tax returns.m to test any lies or conflated values. the other part is crime. at least two of them must be within five years. now if the theory of the case includes crimes done around the 2016 campaign, that deadline hits soon. and i mention the campaign not as speculation. we know the one trump organization official who already went to prison, michael cohen, was convicted of an election crime for donald trump's benefits. that brings us to what harvey weinstein and donald trump have in common. at least according to legal experts. because the southern district of new york brought a rico suit against weinstein. it was a tough tactic. they ultimately won the case, although part of it was dismissed by a judge. and we've seen this in other forums, olympic jafts suing under the rico act over sex abuse scandals there. and trump himself knows how dangerous rico can be. because even if you put this new york case aside, there is an open probe in georgia where they're investigating donald trump trying to shak

vance, good to have you on if you look at the market, it was all used car prices. skewing the data where do you fall in the inflation camp >> you know, i'm not worried about inflation. you and i, brian, talked about it a number of times it is temporary. it will work its way through i actually went. we took a big position in sosx, the semiconductor index. i actually went to 12 to 14 dealerships to ask where inconvventory was and talk as a business owner are you getting the cars you need you have a lot of inventory as far as used as far as sitting out there and the new inventory is harder to get it is picking up i talked to the people and they are starting to get new cars in. i think we are starting to see a turn in the semiconductor chips moving up and auto sales moving up as far as new cars go as far as inflation goes, i'm not worried. the big challenge is if congress wants too overinflate and overtax. >> you tie cars and semiconductors together, vance if you look at new car lots, there are not a lot of new cars on them. they need the semiconductors to make the car

vance occupies here. in his book, hill billy el, people who felt left behind by the economy, and he was very specifically critical of donald trump himself. now that just hasn't changed, he's now basically apologizing for ever saying anything bad about trump. what does it say to you? >> it's so funny that you frame it that way because i had a conversation with my radio producer just last week when he announced his candidacy. we went back to our archives and replayed the hill billy elegy interview that i did with j.d. vance because i wondered aloud, is he the guy we thought he was when he first happened on the scene, and was embraced by the mainstream im mainstream media. never scrub your twitter file. that's worse in terms of an explanation, it looks deceitful, and the k file or somebody else is always going to find those tweets. instead, bury them, tweet more often and hope no one finds it. what it speaks to is the belief that you can't survive a contested republican situation, a primary, unless you're on

vance running for the seat.have marco rubio supporter josh mandel, you have john kasich, you have all of these people. if you look at their twitter feeds, they're like shrines to donald trump. it's shameful. we are six months now passed his uptempo to overthrow the election. this could have been a race between three people of differing visions. you know, j.d. vance, josh mandel more tea party, other candidates more traditional establishment. it's not that. it's a competition to, yes, do what you guys are saying and represent that fight that donald trump bites and the people that need to be torn down and the people that need to be defeated, the elites in the left. but it also is an effort to suck up to just one guy. and it's very much still happening. j.d. vance is the starkest example of the flip-flop. but it's happening across all of these republican primaries. >> but i find remarkable at all is it's so preposterous flee obviously plotting away hawks there-ism. all of these people discovered this believe yester

let's bring in molly ball, who sat down with vance." eugene robinson. and podcast host donny deutsch. >> politicians need to be careful before they sit down with interviews with you, obviously, because you got jd to say all of the quiet parts outloud. he called himself a flip flop flipper on trump and then made an incredible concession to you which is, well, he's head of the party if i want him to vote for me, i got to follow trump. were you surprised he was as straightforward as he was in this political transaction? >> a little bit. we had a very frank conversation. as you know, jd vance has a lot of friends in the main stream media having been one of us not so long ago. having had a cnn contract and been in plenty of the main stream media green rooms so i think he feels a sense of ease, you know, he goes on fox news a lot. so he was quite unguarded. i appreciate that. i like when politicians are willing to open up and say what they think. so it is true that politicians are not usually quite this frank but i wish they would be. >> how

it is such a high profile case, and this is not any company that we are talking about here, and cy vance is going after one of the businesses of the former president, and explain this for us, and what are the chances that the fringe benefits are the only thing that we will hear about today, or is there something bigger at play that we just don't know about? >> as ken says, the reporting is tax avoidance scheme providing the fringe benefits without declaring them for tax purposes, but we also know that cy vance stated in court filings some months ago that he was investigating the trump organization for bank fraud and insurance fraud, and michael cohen said that the trump organization would routinely devalue the assets for income tax purposes and inflate them for loan purposes, and so it could be that the prosecutors are holding back on some of those things to continue to use them for leverage to induce people to cooperate or possible that the leads did not pan out. it is one of the things they am going to be looking for when the indictments are unsealed. >> i want to keep everyone informe

joyce vance, i want to read you a quote from susan. peter baker knows well. she writes, donald trump's kritdices have harbored a persistent fantasy, that there would be one definitive moment this he would be finally be to the accountable he deserves. each new trump crisis, and there were many, offered a hope to some unambiguous to trump. it never happened. susan describes perhaps our viewing audience tonight. what is the chance this event would lead to real consequences for mr. trump? >> i think we're in a tough spot to evaluate that. but i think susan makes a really important point. there will be an extraordinarily low ebb of confidence in the justice system, if there is no accountability for the president, who engaged in -- that left him from having any real consequences. he was never held accountable. he spent the last four years shielded by the presidency, and now that protection has slipped away, he becomes vulnerable. there are proceeders in georgia, including the call he made soliciting election fraud. we saw in the mueller report, we saw an effort to

vance back, what is your response to google's pushback?ing me for stating the obvious that they are in bed with the chinese communist party help me fight back against j.d.vance.com . and the reason that they are effectively lying is that we know that they are actually working with the chinese communist party. let me give you a couple of examples. first we know that google is doing high-tech artificial intelligence research with one of the biggest universities in china. we know that university is controlled by the chinese communist party. so of course they are working with the chinese communist party if they are working with the chinese university. we know that former obama administration secretary claimed that the chinese were in bed with google and was actively harming america's national interest. that is evidence they are in bed with china and bed with china, so we know that youtube which is owned by google is actually censoring any opinion of the chinese communist party does not want disseminated in american media, bending the needs of

and former -- joyce vance who spent years is a federal prosecutor and she also happens to be a cohost of the podcast sisters in law with kimberly atkinson and barbara mcquade. good evening and welcome to all and philip i'd like to begin with you and your be. this new virus surge, let's take the political consequences, the disappointment aspect of it out of the conversation and dwell on public health. i am guessing that the biden west wing is about to address this with some urgency. >> certainly, brian. and we've seen the biden administration and the health officials throughout the government speak with increasing urgency in recent weeks about what the cdc is calling the pandemic of the unvaccinated. the fact that so many americans, tens of millions of americans, many of them in red republican-leaning states are unwilling to be vaccinated in part because of misinformation that they're spreading on social media and in conservative media. this is a growing, urgent concern for leaders in washington and they feel that the infection rates and further complications from california to the eas

vance then. j.d. vance wants to run for senate in a republican primary in ohio. yesterday he says forgive me on fox news. >> i asked folks not to judge me based on what i said in 2016 because i've been open about the fact that i did say those critical things, and i regret them. i regret being wrong about the guy. i think he was a good president. i think he made a lot of good decisions for people and took a lot of flak. as you probably appreciate, i've take an lot of flak myself over the last few years for standing up for the president's voters and also for the agenda. and i think that's the most important thing. >> it would be easier for president biden to breakthrough with at least a sliver of republicans if the conversation among republicans was moving away from trump. away from denying science. away from denying election results. the conversation among republicans is moving exactly the opposite direction right now. >> part of a trend as well of republicans really taking actions with a motive to align themselves with the former president trump. right? i mean, t

peter baker, daniel goldman, joyce vance, our thanks. coming up for us, the man who was formerly the nation's lead lawyer before the u.s. supreme court, neil cokie all standing by to weigh in on what the court decision is for the future voting rights. later, why kevin mccarthy is not happy about a member of his own party joining the committee that is going to invest -- investigate january 6th. all of it as the 11th hour is just getting underway. ting underway. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. call coventry direct to learn more. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized that we needed a way to supplement our income. our friends sold their policy to help pay for their medical bills and that got me thinking. maybe selling our policy could help with our retirement. i'm skeptical, so i did some research and called coventry direct. they explained life insurance is a valuable asset that can be sold. we le

vance. what was he talking about?eview of how races will unfold and folded into that we will see how close do these republican candidates have to be to trump? it's very crowded. if j.d. vance were to win that, that's no sure thing, he would be the definite favorite to win the senate race and he would suddenly be talked about if a post-trump world. >> coming up, the evolution of qanon as its followers tried to expand hiding in plain sight. nbc news' pat collins has been following the fringe movement. he joins us next with his new reporting. joins us next with h reporting. you're strong. you power through chronic migraine - 15 or more headache days a month, ...each lasting 4 hours or more. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. so, if you haven't tried botox® for your chronic migraine, ...check with your doctor if botox® is right for you, and if samples are available. effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swal

so if jd vance catches air and if trump is looking like he could call it a win, sure.been very encouraging to the vance camp. >> speaking of trump, you guys are also reporting about the lawsuit that he announced yesterday which, of course, he immediately fund raised off of, we should note that. you talked to first amendment scholars about whether there's any chance to succeed, what did you find? >> sarah fisher broke the story yesterday. and what's interesting not just about the tech companies but named the ceo's personally, a class action suit against them. as we talked to media lawyers, first amendment scholars, they say there's very little ground for this lawsuit. like there's some ads made to run during newscasts, this is a little bit how this lawsuit is. you mentioned the instant text messages that people got who are on those lists and that does seem to be what the president wants. definitely wanted the media event at bed minister, a little bit of an oval office, white house, setting. complete with the teleprompters, complete with the seal. so donald trump is gett

vance running for senate. vance slammed trump's behavior and policy positions like this one from august of 2016. >> i cannot stand trump because i think he's a fraud. well, i think he's a total fraud that is exploiting these people. >> i do, too. i agree with you on trump because i don't think he's the person -- i don't think he actually cares about folks. >> how do you turn around from that? well, he sure has tried. now vance says he's all in on trump now that he's a candidate he has deleted anti-trump tweets and made this apology on fox news last week. >> i criticized trump back in 2016. i ask folks not to judge me based on what i said in 2016 because i was very open about the fact i did say those critical things and i regret them and i regret being wrong about the guy. i think he was a good president. i think he made a lot of good decisions for people and took a lot of flak. >> also a moment of honesty he told times national political correspondent molly ball since trump is the leader of this movement that

vance is a smart guy. he cares about the community he came from.me partner to a v.c. fund cofounded by biden's chief of staff ron klain. that's not going to help him in a gop primary where candidates are trying to out-trump each other. he's making the same calculation a lot of ambitious republicans are making when they decide the pursuit of power is more important than principles even when it involved pesky things like inciting insurrection. but he's far from alone. this how low can you go limbo has been parlayed into power in republican leadership by elise stefanik. in 2016 she slammed trump's comments about women, gold star families saying, this is not who we are as a country. she opposed his plan to build the wall and coziness with all things kremlin. she voted to contest the election after our attack on the capitol and saw an opening when liz cheney condemned the big lie. remaking herself into a maga talking point machine. those criticisms apparently a big misunderstanding. hey, she didn't go after her family because that would be a deal breake

so seems that vance is bringing the case first against the cfo. it's a pretty strong case. seems to be one that favors the prosecution. we'll see what happens in the event of trial or the event of plea bargain which i think is probably vance's strategy. >> yeah. it is rare for prosecutors to bring a case that is solely on this basis, though. i wonder if you think that works in trump's favor as he is arguing as we heard him at his rally over the weekend, that this is a political attack. w. i think stand alone tax fraud prosecutions are rare, but it's also rare for a company to fail to commit a $1.7 million tax fraud here and particularly one in which a second set of books is kept internally. that's the kind of thing accountants hear about and lure from the old days, pre-computers where criminal organizations kept a second set of books. i was just shocked that it did this. this is one of those cases i think i might teach to my fraud class. that was just kind of incredible to me. >> yeah. no, it's a very good point and one of the things i know that stood out to you in this ind

vance has come up with and mr.sselberg would be part of that alleged scheme he's looking at, right? he's the cfo. the most you got on mr. weisselberg as part of that scheme from the documents at least is these perks, it seems like penny ante. it doesn't ring true. yes, they want him to flip. no doubt about that. digest that for a five. five years looking at this alleged scheme. only four people that could be in the scheme in a principle way, eric trump, donald trump, mr. trump himself and mr. weisselberg. those are the principles. >> neil: today it's only weisselberg. right. >> it's penny ante. that's what people are saying. they think it's weak tea. clearly cy vance who is out of office by the end of the year, a long-time democrat, he's joined by a very partisan democrat in this case, latisha james, the new york attorney general. they're hardened police call people. i spoke with academics today that have no horse in the race. they think it's political. talk to john coffee at columbia, it looks political. this is n

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vance? you was politically calculated in nature? >> well, look, i think vance views supporting trump as sort of the price of admission in republican politics these days. and it's hard to say that he's wrong about that. you're not going to have a very viable campaign, particularly in a reddish state like ohio, if you don't just answer that threshold question of whether or not you support donald trump. however, i don't think it's the most interesting thing about his campaign. as you said, the other candidates in this race are also staunchly pro-trump and from what we understand, the former president doesn't seem particularly interested in jumping into this race and directing his followers toward one of them or another at this point. but, you know, i think vance is hoping that he can get over this trump admission ticket and then talk about the issues in a way that he hopes will resonate with the ohio republican electorate. the question is, do they buy his views on trump enough to listen to the

we caught up with cy vance this morning. >> can we get a comment? >> just good morning.5 it is. tom winter, monica alba, chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and fbi official. barbara quaid and law professor at the university of michigan law school. there's a lot of noise from somewhere, let's figure out where, but i think i can hear you guys. chuck, what will we learn when we do see the charges unsealed and how big a case is this likely to be? >> we will see a few thing, andrea. the specific charges both against the trump organization and its chief financial officer alan weisselberg, but to your point earlier, i think we're also going to see a speaking indictment. when you indict a case and you charge somebody with a crime, you have to articulate, list, the elements of each crime and it's perfectly okay just to charge a crime like that, doing nothing more than listening to the elements and saying that someone violated it, but in a speaking indictment, what i'm hoping when we are going to see are detail. in the federal system where barbara and i work often we'll use spe

as he stands by, i will bring in dan alonso and joy vance, welcome to both of you. how broad and strong is this case? >> it sounds very strong. the evidence detailed in me charges themselves. they don't seem to rely too much on people whose credibility can be attacked. it does not seem michael cohen or others and they got a lot of a lot of documents, i think it is broader than what we were expecting the last few days from having heard from the defense lawyers and i will say one thing that is very significant that this state tax case charges the irs and the federal authorities as victims in this scheme. that's proper, for example, social security and disability and things like that. this is a very interesting and appropriate use of the scheme of fraud and grand larceny laws to specifically charge in state court that the irs is ripped off. it is an interesting way to do it. it has the effect of upping significantly the am of tax laws. we are talking about new york state's taxes, we talked about last week. maybe $100,000 in the indictment. you add to that, $500,000 plu

so jp vance has been on the show a lot, and a frequent guest, always glad to have them.ement tonight and is getting involved in politics at a high level. he joins us in a moment to explain to us what he's doing. ♪ ♪ [swords clashing] - had enough? - no... arthritis. here. new aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme. ♪ ♪ >> i think what we needed washington is people who understand -- and blame a forest in the process. we need people in washington, d.c., who knows how the system works, who knows how to reform that system, and make that country better. that's why i'm running to be your next u.s. senator for the state of ohio. >> tucker: jim vance became famous several years ago, a memoir, he spent a lot of time on this show, and does he just saw he announced hours ago he's running for a u.s. senate seat from the state of ohio. and several other candidates to replace senator rob portman. this is -- why are you doing this? you've had this successful life, and now you are mo

cy vance isn't even running for reelection. is going to carry through. and the other thing he said was new york will be devastated, exclamation point in his statement a couple of days ago in anticipation of this. you know, as if nobody will ever want to do business in new york again because donald trump 's company was indicted. that really doesn't make a lot of sense. and i thought the phrase sounded a little familiar. new york will be devastated. and two years ago, various jurisdictions were raising property taxes on golf courses in new york state and then president trump issued a statement saying new york will be devastated if taxes go up on golf courses and so he's kind of flailing here a little bit in the way he's gonna handle it. having said that, i think his critics need to keep their expectations in check because the fact that weisselberg hasn't flipped yet and he knew it was very likely going to be indicted suggests that it might be pretty hard to flip him. i don't know anything that anyone else knows, but we need to ta

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cy vance is not running again to be the district attorney.less than six months in his tenure. that gives him a certain amount of freedom. it gives him the freedom to pursue the case as he thinks it should be pursued without regards to what his constituents may say one way or the other. it's not easy for person in charge of a prosecution office to bring certain types of charges. when you prosecute people who don't have a lot of resources, you're criticized for prosecuting people who don't have a lot of resources to defend themselves. what cy vance did here is he brought a case that in some ways doesn't appeal to either side. it's dismissed by the former president trump and his camp as not being a significant case and criticized by the other side as not being enough given the expectation, given what's been written about the trump organization. it's important to realize that this is not the end of the investigation. my own view is that there was probably concern that they were losing certain counts of the indictment to the expiration of the stat

we >> fill rocker thanks to you, amy stoddard, joyce vance much appreciated on this tuesday night. coming, up it sounds like a headline from a year ago. hospitals running short of ventilators. we will ask one of our top doctors about surging covid hospitalizations in places where vaccines are not. and later, it's been described as the moral failure of republican party. the events of six months ago are now revealing about the gop. the 11th hour just getting underway on a tuesday night with one more look at washington's july 4th celebration. we celebration. we you may think you're doing all you can to manage type 2 diabetes and heart disease but could your medication do more to lower your heart risk? jardiance can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. so, it could help save your life from a heart attack or stroke. and jardiance lowers a1c. jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration, genital yeast or urinary tract infections, and sudden kidney problems. ketoacidosis is a serious side effect that may be fatal. a rare b

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and joyce vance, who is a law professor at the university of alabama and an msnbc contributor. mike, the president is going to dial up the rhetoric today. beyond the rhetoric, there's not much that he can do legislatively as long as the filibuster remains and as long as there aren't ten republicans willing to support voting rights legislation. president biden talks all the time about how politics is the art of the possible. but right now, mike, what's possible? >> reporter: well, jeff, i have to say the last time i was in this room covering joe biden, he was a candidate fpresident. it was a little over a year ago. he was celebrating some primary night victories. at the time what the biden campaign thought was their formula for success was separating issues that have a very loud and vocal following among a very narrow slice of the electorate and separating it from the issues of importance to a much wider swath of the electorate. in the case of voting rights, you couldn't have a more white hot issue of importance to both the party's bases at the moment. what the president is tryi

that's the -- that's the hurdle that vance's prosecutors have to overcome. one, little thing i would mention just off of what jeff said of no evidence of trump in the indictment. there is a line in there that -- that trump signed or it was set up so that trump would sign some of the checks that were used to comp compensate weisselberg off the books. but i, also, don't think this document, overall, is there to bring donald trump down. this document, i think, is more sweeping than people anticipated it to be. and it's a pretty heavy blow landing on weisselberg's shoulders. he is going to face, possibly, at the most, a 15-year prison sentence. i doubt it will go that far but he is a 74-year-old man. a two-year prison sentence is going to scare him. and i think that that, at the end of the day, is the function of this indictment. it's to encourage allen weisselberg to flip. i think the other thing in the indictment is it references other individuals at the trump organization who had knowledge of these events. and i think that also indicates other people -- there

trump is the leader of this movement, vance told me.bout these people and the things i say i care about, i need to suck it up and support him. that's what he said. >> put that in a museum. >> jonathan is right about the upcoming elections involving that small group of republicans that have been willing to buck the former president. you know, politicians only work off the last election. and so far for the most part, donald trump is undefeated when it comes to republican primaries. if someone like liz cheney can win or adam kinzinger if they decide to win, that could change the scope and the way they treat donald trump at least on a small scale. at this point, there's no reason to believe that those type of politicians have a future of any kind. >> and real fast -- >> and go ahead. >> related to that, and considering j.d. vance is running for the senate, one development that i saw this week that i found was kind of interesting was that in a couple of the senate primary races where donald trump has made his preferences here, whether he's m

let's begin with joyce vance. she's an msnbc legal analyst, a former u.s. attorney and a professor at the university of alabama law school. always good to see you, professor joyce. let me start with just the overarching goal of the committee. what are some of the absolute critical things that you think that this committee has got to come away with in terms of what it learns, what it exposes, what it proves? whattar are the drop-dead must-dos for this committee? >> you know, this committee has a really difficult job ahead of it. the big question that they have to answer is how are the american people supposed to understand what happened on january 6th as we move forward? so they need to answer at least two big broad categories of questions. first, how did law enforcement miss what was going to happen on january 6th? what were the intelligence flaws like? were there communications failures reminiscent of 9/11? why was it that the capitol police were outmatched when the insurrectionists finally reached the capitol? that's one set of questions. and then there's

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i thought his answers were pretty interesting. >> you know, vance did not directly answer the questionstions and there are irregularities that need to be pointed out and we need to ask questions about. it really sidesteps around the direct question of do you believe joe biden is a legitimate president. you know, actually that's a milder approach than some of the other candidates in this race have taken. josh mandel has said there was election fraud on a level that deprived trump from winning. of course, these are things that are not true or cannot be substantiated. vance is, rather than telling the truth and saying that joe biden won, donald trump lost, he's sort of nibbling around the edges with his answer. i think that's what some republicans who aren't willing to fully commit to the lie are trying to do. it's interesting to hear. you have to listen closely to the answers to found out what they're saying and not saying. >> that's true. henry, big picture here, heading into the midterms the senate is going to be on the line for sure. it's 50-50, but there does seem to be a little bit

vance. she campaigned for attorney general in part on trying to prosecute donald trump.ss hairs. >> john: you mentioned that the attorney there cyrus vance may be looking to expand this investigation to include a wide will do "whatever is protected bottom line. and that's private school tuition for at least one of his grandchildren, three apartments and leased cars. this seems to be personal post to karin. is there any indication that there is any way that fans could expand the investigation to investigation into the person doing? >> the corporate wrongdoing already has this charge. it's the corporate wrongdoing charge and the lawyers pled not guilty to that scheme to defraud and granting all of these parks are part of an alleged scheme to defraud from taxes. but you do have a point that these are personal issues and personal items, there's been no evidence or any indication that any of this so far reflect directly. >> john: we are inflating the value of buildings to try to sell them and deflating in terms of tax purposes. >> we will zoom in for a second, we heard the co

that joyce vance and suzanna craig. thank you both very much. remember the alamo?exas republicans want you to remember it as they remember it in their bedtime stories. not the way it actually went down. a shocking suppression of facts and free speech in the lone star state, next. on the readout. on the readout i can't, you know republicans love to rage against censorship and cancel culture? well we don't actually walk at like the top it. take a look at what's happening in texas. state republicans led by republican luminaries like governor greg abbott who can't even manage the states electrical grid forced the abrupt cancellation of a book event at a state history museum because they didn't like with the book says. forget the alamo examines the role slavery played leading up to the battle of the alamo. naturally, the mere mention of slavery triggered the fragility of republican leaders who just happens to be on the board of the museum. now, abbott didn't have the courage to publicly condemn free speech but his deputy, lieutenant governor dan patrick carried the bag.

cyrus vance, the d.a.hould be ashamed of himself. >> in 2008 the prosecutors didn't charge any of the bankers that caused the biggest financial collapse in about 100 years. now they're trying to lock up an executive for not properly writing off a company car. >> these charges on their face don't blow me away. this isn't what some expected two years of ernest effort from the new york d.a. and the attorney general to yield. howie: joining us now to analyze the coverage, alexandra wilkes a former republican strategist and lawyer, susan per reach choe, from "the washington examiner and clarence page from "the chicago tribune." do you think this indictment against allen weisselberg matches the magnitude of the media build up over cyrus vance's investigation? >> no. march the trump organization would have to turn over tax returns, the media stories promised us this huge investigation. i kind of equate the people who are hoping, something comes of this to like a fan fiction base. they're watching particular shows

cy vance. an investigation that ultimately led to uba taining trump's tax records in a court battle. free apartments, cars and even school tuition, benefits that would amount to tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars and were allegedly not properly reported for tax purposes. allen, how are you feeling? the trump organization fired back today claiming prosecutors are using weisselberg, quote, as a pawn in a scorched earth attempt to harm the president. saying in a statement, the district attorney is bringing a criminal prosecution involving employee benefits that neither the irs nor any district attorney would ever think of bringing. this is not justice. this is politics. lawyers for the trump organization spoke after court. >> if the name of the company was something else i don't think these charges would have been brought. >> and cnn's paula reed joins us now from the courthouse. paula, i understand there's some new reporting on the unindictmented coconspirator number one li

. >> and the subject of cynical, then there's jd vance who was supposed to be different, the author of "hilly elegy" described an economic situation in the united states that may have contributed to the rise of trumpism, factories closed, people feeling disconnected from vances in the united states who was very critical of donald trump in 2016. now basically apologizing for ever being critical. what does that tell you? >>. >> it tells me he wants to be a senator. you know, you can accidentally speak the truth in a memoir, say things four or five years ago that are the kind of things normal human beings would think and then suddenly realize you want to be a senator, that you have patrons that are handing you $10 million and super pacs being formed on your behalf and you realize you have to say things differently. even in a republican party, characterized by a remarkable amount of cynicism, jd vance's about face and willingness basically to turn his -- without argument compelling back story in his biography, to turn that into, you know, kind of political leverage against people back home