. >> jd vance at his victory speech in ohio. i'm joined by howard dean. uestion here is who is jd vance, and does his rhetorical contradictions hurt him in a general election? >> well, jd vance is second writer who got lucky because he wrote a book about the same subject. he and josh holly i put in the same category. lot of b.s., not much loyalty to the united states of america, slick. now, you've asked all the right questions in your lead in, and the answer is nobody knows the answer to these questions. unlike 2016 where i thought trump might win, i actually hope that trump is the nominee this time. he's incredibly divisive, he exhausts people. i also think his brand is wrecked. first of all his brand is in bad shape except for his base, and your analysis of the numbers of vance's races is -- it was a very weak field. people look for experiences look for excuses not to vote for josh mandeli. he's a toxic cant dt and the other two got in a fistfight. i think trump is shrewd and he's endorsing people he thinks he's going to win through mo brooks and the sid