but the letter from the john vanderlin sr. to jr. and that letter concluded by john vanderlin sr. saying famous little thought of money is all and everything. which is a pretty standard artist complaint. but what made me think of is there a transition in this period between fame being attached to creation to fame being attached to accumulation? because i feel now we're often famous for the stuff we have rather than the stuff we make. i wonder if you see that kind of transition in this period and if that's what artists like vanderlin are reacting to? >> yeah, that's really complicated question. what i guess i would gesture towards would be that the self-identity or self-identification of many of these artists -- i mean somebod considering himself an artisan and entrepreneur, what you might see is one person sees himself as an artisan and the reason i stick all these things together is i really want to break apart the categories of this one's in the art world and this one's in the artisanal or this one is mechanical and this one is not. which is later in the mid-19th century romanti