vaneder grift. the marine base. it was always interesting going there, because the marines built vaneder grift in the valley and the mountains on the sides were owned fbi bad guys so whenever we went there, we took fire. it was a very fulfilling job. i enjoyed doing it and i was extremely lucky. i only got shot down one time, and -- but we made it through. got another helicopter and took off again. so that's about our day there. i ended up with about 950 combat hours. >> thank you, jerry. [ applause ] jerry said 950 hours. i think the average helicopter pilot in vietnam probably flew 1,000 hours and that is a lot of time. that is a lot of time in a year. and it's all pretty much combat. from the time you lifted off, you could be shot at any time so i think that was the average time that the pilots flew over there. and when i introduced ed, when i first looked through their bios, i saw where ed hughes flew -- he was in vietnam in '71 and pafrts pated in lam song '79. non i don't know if you know the history of the vi