and i stumbled in part because i got interested in vanessa cutler by a collection in the town of ohio. i found letters, diaries, unpublished memories, and so i've got at least five or six characters for whom i have enough material i could write a biography of each one of them and what they did out there. and the adversities, the roadblocks, the things that most of us give up, but they didn't. they didn't give up. >> is it in part of a story of these revolutionary war stories that had not been paved -- >> they were all revolutionary war stories. and the idea is the government had no money, and any land given by the government, that was bigger with infinite value. it was bigger than all the 13 original colonies, bigger than france. and there was nobody living there. no bridges, no roads. the only river was the ohio river. and the courage it took to go out there. and of course they're not only establishing a community that has freedom of religion and government support of education, these are veer empirical values and no slivery. but this is going to have an effect on everything that com