i have much worse feelings with vannatter than i do with lang.ter of fact, when the verdict was read, my biggest issue, as i already told all my lawyers, i wanted to go after lang -- go after vannatter. he was on the courtroom. it too everything i could not to go after this guy because i felt he was responsible for allowing somebody like mark fuhrman to be as out of control as he evidently was during the investigation of this case. >> detective vannatter isn't here, he has died. he can't defend himself to o.j. simpson. i assume you have a response to o.j. on that. >> a typical sociopath at work. total denial. it's not me. it's everybody else. b.s. on and on and on. this is what you find in a typical sociopath. >> he does accuse everybody but himself, doesn't he, john. everybody but himself. >> the thing about the dna. this would have been a strong homicide case if dna didn't exist at that time. just the sheer size, the bloody tracks, the cut on his left hand, the trail of blood going back, the fact that he would have had a key to the back gate, b