. >> at the higher end, it looks like a company called vantibe. that's if you're doing a lot of volume and authorize.net and some other ones are good at the young company level. >> go find someone who is one step ahead of you, right? >> yes. >> a successful company who is where you want to be in a couple years or next year maybe and ask them what they're using and see how it works for them. >>> let's move on to the last question. building relationships with large retailers. >> as a small business how do you get into the big box stores? >> i would suggest don't necessarily go after the big box retailers out of the gate. the ones that have made it in i would look at some of the e-commerce company that she's in female apparel. i think you probably know. on the men's side bombfell. and they pair up their customers with stylealistists and they are growing so fast. >> they're great companies, actually. the other thing is i think if you're going to look at getting in a big box, you already have to act as if you're there. you have to have the right packag