vaughan gething. the northern ireland executive published a five step plan for exiting lockdown.hurches opening for private prayer. unlike in england, there's no timetable for lifting restrictions, although the dup‘s first minister, arlene foster, said she hoped to reach the final stage by december. she and the sinn fein deputy first minister made a joint statement to mlas at stormont. as of today we remain subject to restrictions which no one wants to last a day longer than is absolutely necessary. these are measures we would not contemplate in normal times. we know they are having a significant effect on people's ability to live there lives the way they and we want. we set out for us and we today are thoughts on how to move forward when the time is right. but mlas were impatient for a timetable. the win is important and i think it would have been useful to include timescales with the proviso that those could be changed or moved due to circumstances. this is not the worst document and the wealth and compared to other nations i think this is something a community can look at but

so don't you agree with me that vaughan gething has had his chips?n the subs bench, where he belongs? well, i've already said i'm not going to be drawn into that sort of distasteful personal attack on anybody. a brief stop to allow a child to eat is not a picnic in anybody's language. the first minister said the decision to change the rules was taken on the previous thursday. later, vaughan gething himself was challenged over the welsh government's plans for a new test, track and trace strategy to stop the spread of coronavirus. we all surely hope to be able to start moving towards significantly lifting restrictions in the not—too—distant future. that's what we all hope for, but we can't start thinking of significantly lifting lockdown restrictions before we have a robust test and trace plan. at some point over the next week, we'll have health boards and some of their partner local authorities looking to trial some of the contact tracing element of it, with a particular focus on the care home sector, and there will be lots of learning to take from th

the welsh health minister vaughan gething joins us now from cardiff.xercise being one of them, rather than leisure and that's quite a significant difference, there is real concern here in wales, there will be a number of people moving across the border for leisure purposes or indeed for exercise as well. the past issues around second homes, beauty spots in wales, we normally encourage people to come and see and see and enjoy our beautiful country but at this point in time, it's very clear, stay—at—home and visit whilst later. i think the prime minister was specifically asked about visiting second homes in parliament yesterday and he said not to do that but on theissue and he said not to do that but on the issue of travelling for exercise or beauty spots, what happens if someone from england wants to go to wales ? someone from england wants to go to wales? what would be the consequences of that? the police will be enforcing the laws of wales. that means if people are travelling significant distances, not staying local, whether wales, england, the police

ok, tom, just for balance, picked up on something you said about vaughan gething, he didn't actuallytion. dominic cummings' white wrote a piece in the spectator talking about the difficulties that they have faced as both had gone through the coronavirus themselves. there was not one mention in that article of the trip to durham. why was there no mention in that article of the trip to durham? i think it's because they knew if they did mention it they would be all of this row and they knew that what they had done was at the very least a bending of the rules. back to your question specifically, louise, they have now been other allegations that not only did they go up as covid—19 carriers up did they go up as covid—19 carriers up to durham to be close to people in the age group that were a high risk, that they perhaps went around the region in various ways as well. and so i think the enquiry, should there be one, and i think there is a strong case for there to be an enquiry, should investigate these claims. that's in the interest of dominic cummings if he will continue to be the prime mi