veba, the trust, wants it to happen as soon as possible.g about it happening the first two weeks of december. most likely, we will see a chrysler ipo if it happens in the first quarter. a lot depends on whether or not there are some negotiations that can take place before. sergio marcioni the ceo of chrysler and fiat wants to buy the remaining owned by the trust. they have a big discrepancy, $7 million in terms of the value of that%. the veba trust says it would offer the 16% of its stake in the ipo. if you take a look at what's happening to shares of fiat, they have been falling over the last several months. this is crucial, carl, that they get this other stake in chrysler, this 41.5% stake. that is going to help them as they turn around the portion of the business. if it goes to an ipo, it becomes much more expensive. again, we are not sure if this is going to happen. if it does, first quarter of next year. carl? >> can i ask you a quick question? according to some of the reports we have had out in public, it would be the moment we are in