vedder guy higher education would that be right? into the better guide or vedder guide. either one. is for all of the information that they put out often they do not tell the truth. and that is you know, i this i that most of us. if we had been told. we are majoring in philosophy you will not get a very good job. would have done this anyway. many of us would have said fine, i am an inthinker and philosopher that is the bravado of the 19-year-old. but okay. you know, candor. going into it with your eyes open. the catalog should stop lying. >> the importance of what bill said i have a marvelous memory when i was a floss is fee student of the surgeon and head of the state medical source site that one day would be my father-in-law. coming in where i was waiting to pick up his daughter for a date. and saying to me in a casual way, well, what do you think that you can make as a philosophy major? [laughter] it was affair question. i didn't care in those days, i fully agree that the key thing is to know what you are doing. we mention parallels to housing. bubble and the college cost bubble.

supporters from all over the world, including celebrities, like actor johnny depp and rock musician eddie vedderou know how rare it is for someone on death row to be set free? >> there are so many things about this case and about my life in general that are against the odds that things like that don't even make me blink anymore. >> and that support has led to hundreds of thousands of dollars for dna testing of a hair found at the crime scene. and that has led to some startling revelations. >> the dna evidence proves there were no sexual assaults. forensics produced that, as well. the material that does exist, all three defendants are eliminated from it. they couldn't have produced it. and on the other hand, there is evidence consistent with a relative or a family member of one of the victims. there? that's -- that hurts. >> terry hobbs has never been named a suspect in this case. and authorities stand by their convictions. but his ex-wife, pam, stevie's mother, doesn't know what to believe anymore. do you believe that any of those three young men are guilty? >> at this point, no, i don't. >> you

. >> the fast question for richard vedder. just curious to know why you think the studies programs don't have value? >> i knew i was going to get in trouble with that one. i did not say they didn't have value. i said that people in the women's studies, bill and david in their book, having empirical evidence from pay scale the says gender studies graduates, areas to these graduates, led american studies graduates do not on balance arnold of money. that does not mean they have no value. there is both a consumption and investment value to higher education. you can go to college for his many years as you want and take courses. i studied french literature for a year in french. it has done me utterly no good vocationally, but i'm glad i did it. if you want to major in women's studies, fine. but they're is a public policy issue of women's studies graduates who are in women's studies, they being deceived taking money? and there may be even a public policy issue, the policy makers wanted this stuff on how much public subsidies shou