like santa clara, santa cruz in particular, monterey where we've seen huge increases in the vehicularly housed, as we call them because historically we know that youth -- not youth. historically we know that living in your own car is one of the first places, one of the first refuges that homeless will go to if they have it. and then anecdotally, our experience has been that that is rarely sustained longer than a year because the high cost of keeping up your car, the tickets and the code enforcement issues with parking and other related issues. >> do you want to help me out here, 13% -- >> can you speak into the microphone, that would be great. >> it was 13% of those found in the point in time counted living in their cars, 13%. >> and, again, that's consistent with other communities. whereas the san francisco overall point in time count was, 2013, was roughly flat when compared to the 2011 number. some comparative numbers in neighboring communities, santa clara went up 8%. los angeles 18%. new york city 22%. i didn't include it in my notes here. santa cruz went up 28%. and consistently, the num