. >> veltman? my relatives from eastern europe.t with my upbring, time i'm curious how tech shabbat as you practice it today with your family may compare to the shabbat traditions, they're might have been, when you were growing up. >> okay, didn't grow up with shabbat and i'm glad you brought that up. ways that are different from people truly observing shabbat. someone said a rabbi said you're me most religious nonreligious person -- i always do tech shabbat and i'm very observant in my tech shabbat and i do a lot of similar rituals. did not grow up withshack but but mahouts did and they had a beautiful friday night meal weapon set the table, fresh cut flowers, it's a beautiful meal. if you really observant orthodox jew you're not supposed to create -- you're not even supposed to write. i doing my best -- >> you're not supposed to turn on lights. >> for me i was about trying to take the essence and kernel of shabbat whys presence, gratitude, joy, family, sanctuary of home, cooking, really being present. that what i was trying to do