you shut down vema yet herbalife is still around. please tell me what the difference between herbalife and vema. define for me a pyramid scheme. which should be again for the federal trade commission which is responsible for protecting consumers from pyramid schemes they should be able to tell a reporter for "the new york times" a pyramid scheme. they refused to answer the question on the record. they said i'm sorry, we have no answer for you is what he said in the article. so i think the problem we is is whether it's a legislative problem or the ftc is not a strong a regulator as it should be, this company needs to be shut down. it is effectively identical. and substantively to the company, smaller companies they've shut down. and i think it will eventually happen. >> it would be a huge payday for you. >> our investors make a lot of money. i've committed to give away 100 percent of any profits i make personally. but it will be good for my investors and funds pore sure. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> thanks for having me. >> glaet

the ftc just shut down a company called vema. it is a perfect analog to herbalive.top distributors was a herbalife distributor. >> if you learned or thought the government wasn't ultimately going to shut down this company meaning there was a seat change within these investigations before something was officially announced, would you sell the position? >> so remember we're short -- >> or buy the position. would you get out of the position? >> the answer is we -- the last way is basic deterioration. the company is deteriorating except for in china. china has been the growth engine in the last quarters. this characteristic of massive growth and fairly massive declines is something you see in pyramid schemes. not in something selling food. think of themselves in the food business. mondelez doesn't have massive growth in one quarter. there's lots of ways to win, but if we're wrong we fold up the tent and move on. i would say as i said from the very beginning on this one and i would say it's even higher today. the certainty factor here is the highest it can be for investm