ability of us to sit in a cop vengs city, listen to the speeches, jump to the con clowg regular voters -- limited. president moves up to 50% after this in the national polls that would be significant. >> charlie:what's magical go 50%? >> the general view amongst some people in politics and certainly the romney campaign if you're undecided you're probably not going to be in the end for the president. an incumbent below if% on the election day often will lose. what mitigates against that which manies he could win even if he's at 48, 3 things. i think it's still an open question whether governor romney alternative -- >> charlie:you agree on. open question whether he will be seen as an alternative. >> yes. >> two i still believe the obama ground game will be superior. that that could be worth an additional 1, 2 or 3 points in some places and finally the electoral college, barack obama is going to do very poorly in a lot of red states by recent standards in a mayor juror party candidate. what is true unless there's a disaster tonight, governor romney electoral college position sno better. >