venturi would meet one-on-one with mussolini over 100 times in these years. basically once a month. no one outside of the inner circle of the fascist party met that often with mussolini. before going to meet with mussolini he would go to the vatican and meet with the pope. what was he doing? he was asking new demands from the pope asking mussolini to use the oppressive apparatus of the state to benefit the church and an example to give you some idea go to the trivial example that the pope was concerned about things like modesty ed clothing, bathing suits, nightgowns that showed too much of the female body and insisted that mussolini do something about this. this was not the kind of issue that mussolini had problems with actually as you may know. [laughter] buts to begin with the trivial example but there were other examples. for example ex-priest, there were a large number of priests who left the priesthood had been some would get married and some for the reasons. the only way they could support themselves would be tube get jobs in local schools. they often were the only literate pe