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it is a great venue. it is a large venue. the matter was heard last time, tony is owed, he bought a club on a promissory note. the notes came due. he had occasion to meet duc luu. duc was interested in coming in, providing the money put his corporation as the management of that location he asked -- location. he asked tony to stay on. i went on a neighborhood meeting and i was surprised when i walked in. i am used to people not being happy with nightclubs. my surprise was how beloved by the neighborhood group he was because it appears that five or six years ago he had cleaned up the club and got rid of all the problems. i believe this got passed around. i have put in an amended questionnaire. there was an issue last time in the recommendations, on page 2 there were a couple of changes. we forgot to put tony in as a manager. the other changes we wanted to do seven days a week a dj starting at 9:00. i admitted -- omitted, he would like the right also if the book a big band. there was some issue on the conditions that had to do w
it is a great venue. it is a large venue. the matter was heard last time, tony is owed, he bought a club on a promissory note. the notes came due. he had occasion to meet duc luu. duc was interested in coming in, providing the money put his corporation as the management of that location he asked -- location. he asked tony to stay on. i went on a neighborhood meeting and i was surprised when i walked in. i am used to people not being happy with nightclubs. my surprise was how beloved by the...
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in this case, it is a partnership among the city, the venues, and the parking lot operators. this legislation is an attempt to make sure parking lot operators are playing their role in the collaboration. i think it is strong and important legislation, and i look forward to seeing it through the process. supervisor avalos: ok. supervisor chiu: if we could hear from the commander, and i want to thank you for the works -- the work you are doing in our neighborhoods. >> thank you. i want to say i think i came to the first meeting on this when the stakeholders got together. it is interesting to hear those early discussions and see the legislation that really picks up the nuances and concerns of all the folks in the room. i will offer just a quick remark. in policing, in trying to control crime, we look at the victim, the perpetrator, and the location. from that, we can attack any one of those. we can spot issues in any of those three areas and and the crime pattern by either making a location safer, maybe spot a particular m.o. that leads us to a suspect or to educate the victims
in this case, it is a partnership among the city, the venues, and the parking lot operators. this legislation is an attempt to make sure parking lot operators are playing their role in the collaboration. i think it is strong and important legislation, and i look forward to seeing it through the process. supervisor avalos: ok. supervisor chiu: if we could hear from the commander, and i want to thank you for the works -- the work you are doing in our neighborhoods. >> thank you. i want to...
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i currently operate that menu -- venue. i have been there for three years. watching is pretty amazing. actually making something out of nothing is pretty impressive. i am really glad that he is extending out. he is giving opportunities to those who need it, you know? with the economy being so bad, he is providing more jobs for those who need it as well. whenever we can, whenever there are events, we do give back to the community as well. it is not all about making money. it is also about giving back to the community. thanks. >> good evening. my name is rommie lau -- ronnie lau. i was hired about four years ago to be the general manager, as well as oversee the security operation. there was a bit of lack of security, so he hired me to be the consultant and revise the security plan. i have now been appointed to hopefully do the same for 550, increase the level of respect with the community, as well as the safety and security of the venue itself. thank you. >> thank you. >> i might add, ronnie goes back -- he was the head of operations and head of security with
i currently operate that menu -- venue. i have been there for three years. watching is pretty amazing. actually making something out of nothing is pretty impressive. i am really glad that he is extending out. he is giving opportunities to those who need it, you know? with the economy being so bad, he is providing more jobs for those who need it as well. whenever we can, whenever there are events, we do give back to the community as well. it is not all about making money. it is also about giving...
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i believe a music venue is very important. especially in a concentrated area where there are several. i think it is of huge importance to not only the artists in this city but to the tourists who come and come to a collective area to find so many diverse artists and performers. i think knowing teague for as many years as i have a lot who is a great artist himself, the city needs more places to play. more places for people to earn a living. not only the artist but the people he would need to employ to handle all little more revenue. i think change is great. i think one thing that should change is the stipulations that stop people from employing more people. i think that is really key right now. thank you for your time. i am the ideal starving artist. i would like to have a little more revenue so i am not laid on my ranch. let's get this going. thank you. vice president hwang: thank you, next speaker. >> good afternoon. i am a san francisco resident and a patron of tupelo in support of this project. i wanted to address the items
i believe a music venue is very important. especially in a concentrated area where there are several. i think it is of huge importance to not only the artists in this city but to the tourists who come and come to a collective area to find so many diverse artists and performers. i think knowing teague for as many years as i have a lot who is a great artist himself, the city needs more places to play. more places for people to earn a living. not only the artist but the people he would need to...
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that's a spin through the venue sites. i would like to provide a high-level summary of the financial analysis that port staff is going to get into further detail on later in the commission calendar. but just as a point of comparison with disposition and development agreement, under that former agreement, the event authority would have extended about $111 million to improve the waterfront both preand post match. here the port would spend $25 million is the estimate we're working with from proceeds repaid by the rents that the port will retain over the long term. under the former long-term agreement the port was going to give up $3.9 million in rents on an ongoing basis and by getting -- being able to retain those rents, we have added deck capacity as elaine forbes will explain in more detail. so our recommendations are to approve the project, that would allow you to approve the lease disposition agreement and authorize the port executiver to epter that ageement. following that approve the form of venue lease. if commission
that's a spin through the venue sites. i would like to provide a high-level summary of the financial analysis that port staff is going to get into further detail on later in the commission calendar. but just as a point of comparison with disposition and development agreement, under that former agreement, the event authority would have extended about $111 million to improve the waterfront both preand post match. here the port would spend $25 million is the estimate we're working with from...
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the venue has been there since 1995. the application is speak for -- is the force because of a change of ownership. it would like to continue operating as a dance club. this is a hearing of two permits, extended hours and place of entertainment. >> ok. chair newlin, commissioners, my name is mark. i have a few things to hand out. pictures. not sure if you've all got these, but there are a couple of letters that came. i would like to pass the mouth. a -- them out. i am here tonight with the "owner and applicant linda, who is with us -- security had [inaudible] we also have the former owner of space 550 and now the head of operations. he has been a client of mine for over 20 years, probably the most successful gay promoter in california for over 22 years. he has been the owner since 1999. he has a number of other interests and is being hired under a five-figure contract by the 550 barneveld inc. group to stay on as the head of operations. he will tell us about what he plans. there is now a thursday night and sunday night g
the venue has been there since 1995. the application is speak for -- is the force because of a change of ownership. it would like to continue operating as a dance club. this is a hearing of two permits, extended hours and place of entertainment. >> ok. chair newlin, commissioners, my name is mark. i have a few things to hand out. pictures. not sure if you've all got these, but there are a couple of letters that came. i would like to pass the mouth. a -- them out. i am here tonight with...
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the venue.e are in that right now. we have had one week and of quiet. we are hopeful that this intervention, which, to my mind, was an immediate way to intervene in a public safety issue, will do the trick, and hopefully bring that into compliance without a more formal hearing process. we will wait and see. i will let the commission know. that concludes my report. >> i have -- maybe this is apropos to you as well. on the towing, i was wondering if we could work through our liaison. i notice he is not here tonight from central station. see what, maybe on a monthly count, how much of the volume has diminished? i would like to see that ultimately done away with. director kane: we get to that news letter, i think, weekly. it is not by weekly -- biweekly. it has the toll numbers in yet -- twow numbers in it. we will be happy to share that with you. those tows are recorded the time. >> right. in my other life as a hearing officer, i see families, they are just up there, just good citizens wanting a ni
the venue.e are in that right now. we have had one week and of quiet. we are hopeful that this intervention, which, to my mind, was an immediate way to intervene in a public safety issue, will do the trick, and hopefully bring that into compliance without a more formal hearing process. we will wait and see. i will let the commission know. that concludes my report. >> i have -- maybe this is apropos to you as well. on the towing, i was wondering if we could work through our liaison. i...
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money, it is a small venue. unless, of course, something really did happen. for me, i would like to not let anything happen at the beginning. we should always be more proactive. if they went to the training that they were required to, i don't have a problem with making it an option like they would propose. >> just to clarify, we are going to leave it off for now. and you're going to come back here and condition you to have had guns. you understand that? >> there have been incidents -- the only reason you're not aware of them is because it is not a licensed venue. my approach to this was with that in mind. i understand your approach is a little different, but i have an agreement to what you are proposing. >> let's see if anybody from the public would like to comment on this application. can we get a motion from the commission? we cannot get a commotion from the -- thank you. that the permit be approved with the caveat that officer buckner reports back if there needs to be an amendment at a later date. >> second. >> if you want to make that more clear. i would
money, it is a small venue. unless, of course, something really did happen. for me, i would like to not let anything happen at the beginning. we should always be more proactive. if they went to the training that they were required to, i don't have a problem with making it an option like they would propose. >> just to clarify, we are going to leave it off for now. and you're going to come back here and condition you to have had guns. you understand that? >> there have been incidents...
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from my first opinion of its, and looks like a great venue. it just needs to be looked at a little bit closer as far as the permanent. we will work with them on that. other than that, commissioners, i do not think there is anything else. the mission has been pretty quiet. i think that is pretty much it. thank you. >> i have one comment. i think hopefully, outreach would be well served. i know the few locations they do go to night life and then use, it is not unusual to see -- women will have their purse unzipped and sitting somewhere and they will have their back to it when they're talking to their friends. i am constantly telling them that. if i see a lot, it must be prevalent. outreach might be beneficial. it seems like i am reading the exact report every single time. it involves some curse that has been stolen or someone's jacket. -- purse that has been stolen or someone's jacket. a couple of weeks ago, we had a couple of off-duty police officers. someone came in and attempted to steal their jacket. a chase ensued down 18th street. it was f
from my first opinion of its, and looks like a great venue. it just needs to be looked at a little bit closer as far as the permanent. we will work with them on that. other than that, commissioners, i do not think there is anything else. the mission has been pretty quiet. i think that is pretty much it. thank you. >> i have one comment. i think hopefully, outreach would be well served. i know the few locations they do go to night life and then use, it is not unusual to see -- women will...
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this is a venue of regional and civic importance. it has hosted a wide variety of events for over 40 years, since the 1950's, without substantial operating conditions. if you choose to the, you could approve the cu which allows the center to continue without any conditions. the department attempted to minimize impact on the community by imposing 30 conditions. you can review the operations of this center with conditions, whether it is necessary to the city. >> i am kevin guy, with planning staff. i will summarize the three conditions raised by the appellant. the appellant contends the conditions of approval exceed the authority of planning code section 185e, which allows an operating business to continue, providing there is no enlargement of the use. the superior court of california upheld the zoning administrator decision of this is a legal nonconforming use. the sponsor may request continuance of this use. as discussed, the center has operated since the 1950's without any substantial operating conditions, except those imposed by th
this is a venue of regional and civic importance. it has hosted a wide variety of events for over 40 years, since the 1950's, without substantial operating conditions. if you choose to the, you could approve the cu which allows the center to continue without any conditions. the department attempted to minimize impact on the community by imposing 30 conditions. you can review the operations of this center with conditions, whether it is necessary to the city. >> i am kevin guy, with...
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-- playing at that venue even though they did not have a permit. that fact was enough for the planner to make a decision that the request for an entertainment permit should be granted based on the historical nature of the use of that space. here we have one of those same buildings. we have the building with a historical use as entertainment that goes far beyond my life. the second thing i would like to say is that i am part of the broadway study group that is working to try to figure out how to make a broadway renaissance happen. how to bring the correct mix of businesses to broadway. i will tell you the one thing the group is begging for it is live music. to force this live music venue out is working against that entire effort to -- the entire group's effort. thank you for your time. vice president hwang: thank you, next speaker, please. >> i am a longtime resident of north beach. currently the owner of -- formerly comment the executive director of the north beach chamber of commerce. however, i want to be perfectly transparent. i am a paid consul
-- playing at that venue even though they did not have a permit. that fact was enough for the planner to make a decision that the request for an entertainment permit should be granted based on the historical nature of the use of that space. here we have one of those same buildings. we have the building with a historical use as entertainment that goes far beyond my life. the second thing i would like to say is that i am part of the broadway study group that is working to try to figure out how to...
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and form of venue lease. >> commissioners, brad benson, special projects manager. i'm here representing a very large port and city team that's been working on this project from about summer of 2010. feels a little like deja vu. i think we were here on this action in december. but we're happy to bring to the commission the last set of major discretionary approvals associated with the 34th america's cup. and it's rolely been i think an extraordinary body of work that has led to today. and at the end of the presentation i will invite mike martin, america's cup project director, to come and address a commission about a few items that are city related and there are a lot of folks not city staff in the audience today who have been critical to the effort and i will point them out as well. so as i was thinking about the policy context for the actions today, i ran across a line in some state legislation that is on the lead finding in some of the state legislation we pursue for the court and i thought it was a good quote. the san francisco waterfront is a valuable public tru
and form of venue lease. >> commissioners, brad benson, special projects manager. i'm here representing a very large port and city team that's been working on this project from about summer of 2010. feels a little like deja vu. i think we were here on this action in december. but we're happy to bring to the commission the last set of major discretionary approvals associated with the 34th america's cup. and it's rolely been i think an extraordinary body of work that has led to today. and...
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it is very unusual and we would only do that at a venue that we felt it would benefit. we had a recent incident as i outlined for you that was very close to being inside of that venue. the security team prevented that from happening. it was probably a pat down. they found a knife on the subject. it was definitely a success. >> that is kind of -- not we don't have to put in hard language, but i think it is up to the security to design efficient at down -- is a hot neighborhood. i don't even know how to handle that. what kind of guard card training? are they going on line? >> palin donna saturday. -- or they went on a saturday. >> there were like 30 people there. that is good because there were a lot of questions and to this online thank is great, but i think the guards that were there learned a lot. for me, no
it is very unusual and we would only do that at a venue that we felt it would benefit. we had a recent incident as i outlined for you that was very close to being inside of that venue. the security team prevented that from happening. it was probably a pat down. they found a knife on the subject. it was definitely a success. >> that is kind of -- not we don't have to put in hard language, but i think it is up to the security to design efficient at down -- is a hot neighborhood. i don't...
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certain parking lots within 1,000 feet of place and entertainment venues should have a secure plan as approved by s&p. there are waiver procedures for those. it passed at committee so it will be hot -- it will be heard at the full board next tuesday, may 1, i believe. >> thank you. commissioner lee, do you have anything else to that? commissioner lee: there was a little bit of negotiation from the parking lot association vice-president. also, the commander. they worked out something. whenever they worked out is moving to the full board, which is great. >> fantastic. this being moved through its paces and implemented, i think we will have the first interaction to see what happened -- what impact that has by and large. the administration is an sfpd function. we will assist as necessary. i wanted to let the commission know and everybody watching at home that our online payment is up and running. it is superb, functional, fantastic, flawless. it has been used a whole bunch of times. you can pay for anything online with a credit card with a small convenience fee. it is really, really nice
certain parking lots within 1,000 feet of place and entertainment venues should have a secure plan as approved by s&p. there are waiver procedures for those. it passed at committee so it will be hot -- it will be heard at the full board next tuesday, may 1, i believe. >> thank you. commissioner lee, do you have anything else to that? commissioner lee: there was a little bit of negotiation from the parking lot association vice-president. also, the commander. they worked out something....
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introducing venus & olay, a match made in skin heaven.lay moisture bars release skin conditioners to help lock in moisture and boost your shave. while five blades get venus close. revealing smooth. renewing beauty. and goddess skin begins. only from venus & olay. time for traffic and weather every ten minutes. morning again to meteorologist adam caskey. is good friday morning. temperature is a little silly to e weekend.th we will see an upswing in temperatures. there's a freeze warning this for locations west of ridge and along the dixon line. frederick, washington, s west of, and point until 9:00 a.m. those same locations tonight are freeze warning. but that also includes montgomery, loudoun county, rappahannock, no. fauquier county is as well. 46 right now in the district, 37 gaithersburg. oakland, 32. those are some of the freezing temperatures on this friday morning. sunshine today, i rise in the upper 50's. a little breezy. out of the north at 10-20 miles hour. gusting even higher. you will need a jacket early this morning. breezy in
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. >> highlighted by the beating of bryan stow, and there's problems at many sporting venues throughout the state. tony, this proposal called for greater punishment. >> that is true, jess. essentially, the proposed law would create a blacklist for anyone caught committing violent acts at sporting events. speaking, a man from los gatos, a victim last year at candlestick park. >> i encourage you to do something to keep the public safe. >> reporter: 66-year-old austin junior told lawmakers his story. >> there's no need for us to be in fear about attending a football game. >> reporter: his family went to the monday night game in december against the steelers. >> i got hit right here, square in the left eye. that's the one that really pretty much devastated me. i think took me out. >> reporter: he never saw the game. a verbal exchange led to a pregame fight that left him with a concussion, four missing teeth and a black eye. >> the fans aren't gladiators. there shouldn't be fighting in the stands. >> i know families are afraid to take their kids to a ball game. and that's not the state i gre
. >> highlighted by the beating of bryan stow, and there's problems at many sporting venues throughout the state. tony, this proposal called for greater punishment. >> that is true, jess. essentially, the proposed law would create a blacklist for anyone caught committing violent acts at sporting events. speaking, a man from los gatos, a victim last year at candlestick park. >> i encourage you to do something to keep the public safe. >> reporter: 66-year-old austin junior...
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we have come as you know, issues of noise from people leaving venues.paris, they are starting to use night mimes. it is a program using artists who were communicating without speaking that it is important to mind where you are. i wanted to show you a little video to give you the idea. >> should we dim the lights? director kane: i don't know. it is not working. it is working on the computer. how do we do it? anyway, i will keep talking. maybe it will work. but, i attached to this memo some information as well about it. basically, i said, it is two or three artists. it is a mediator that will go out and engage people as they're coming out, obviously in a positive way, to communicate that, and hand out information, and communicate that. in fact, it is important to quietly leave your -- go to your destination. and so, in paris, i think there are 50 neighborhoods they have targeted. there are 60 artists they're using. there are 20 mediators. ideally, i know it sounds a little crazy, but the idea is to get sponsors to be able to pay the artists, and then use
we have come as you know, issues of noise from people leaving venues.paris, they are starting to use night mimes. it is a program using artists who were communicating without speaking that it is important to mind where you are. i wanted to show you a little video to give you the idea. >> should we dim the lights? director kane: i don't know. it is not working. it is working on the computer. how do we do it? anyway, i will keep talking. maybe it will work. but, i attached to this memo some...
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only from venus & olay.oliceersity of maryland filed additional charges against a student accused of planning a rampage. he was a listed yesterday after released from hospital. was released on his own recognizance after a court hearing. charged with misusing e- peace, andrbing the offenses. last night he warned that he would kill numerous people on campus. barred from that campus. prince george's county police man wanted up with a connection with a weekend shooting. was found in temple hills shootingt, accused of a man sunday morning in temple and is charged with attempted first-degree murder. will be held today at the memorialther king jr. on the mall. mark the 44th anniversary of his assassination. the coalition of political assassinations is calling for of classifiedse government records regarding his life and death. 6:00 hour 30 tonight there will be a candlelight vigil and memorialaying at the meno the public is invited >> . a college mysteriously closed. >> , ona.c.t. college three campuses at the regi
only from venus & olay.oliceersity of maryland filed additional charges against a student accused of planning a rampage. he was a listed yesterday after released from hospital. was released on his own recognizance after a court hearing. charged with misusing e- peace, andrbing the offenses. last night he warned that he would kill numerous people on campus. barred from that campus. prince george's county police man wanted up with a connection with a weekend shooting. was found in temple...
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introducing venus & olay a match made in skin heaven.ars release skin conditioners to help lock in moisture and boost your shave. while five blades get venus close. revealing smooth. renewing beauty. and goddess skin begins. only from venus & olay. >> welcome back. we want to check our top stories. prince george's county investigators are holding a news conference to discuss a deadly weekend. eight people were shot in four separate instances. three people died. police have not made any arrests at this point. we will hear more testimony in the probe against allegations that john leopold misused his police detail. the deputy police chief is scheduled to speak tonight about officer conduct policy. newt gingrich is campaigning in our area today. he is scheduled to visit a motor company. this comes ahead of tomorrow's primaries. >> police will be out in force tonight in case there are right after the n.c.a.a. championship. more than one dozen people were arrested. no reports of any serious injuries. an ex-marine expected to arrive at arlingto
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eight summit some are speculating as to whether or not the reason for the change of venue is to avoid these protests might not look the best for president obama have these widespread protests going outside of this very high profile summit especially in times of the election season yeah i think those are really good points chicago certainly a lot easier to get close to the venue i know i covered g eight back when it was in georgia it was in sea island and all the protests were in savannah which was about an hour and a half away and no matter what the protest will always happen but it is oftentimes i think it's an important point a question of how close they are to some of these world leaders actually meeting making these big decisions it's an important subject to talk about not just what's on the public agenda but what else is out there are to correspondent was wall. now there are some examples of various countries across the geo political spectrum coming together for a common goal a common mission perhaps one of the most tangible examples is the international space station now we've g
eight summit some are speculating as to whether or not the reason for the change of venue is to avoid these protests might not look the best for president obama have these widespread protests going outside of this very high profile summit especially in times of the election season yeah i think those are really good points chicago certainly a lot easier to get close to the venue i know i covered g eight back when it was in georgia it was in sea island and all the protests were in savannah which...
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, but they're increasing in the alternative venues. in the-- rouge, for example, which is a cab ar a and there are many such around the world, it's extraordinary. i started to research this and i found that literally around the world even in china to a certain extent, there are alternatives in venues. many of them have a kind of cabaret style where you can have a drink, even a sandwich while you are listening to music. and they're much less formal and much less expensive. and young people are flocking to these places to hear among other things, classical music. so yes, i do, definitely. >> you began this book want exploration of history looking backment where you take us and what do we learn from where you take us. >> well, the greeks, hundreds of years before the christian era, were aware of acoustics and epadoris for example, that is famous for it's acoustics. and i do think, just to come back to the question you asked renee that there have been tremendous advances in acoustics. you know this 300 year repetition of the horseshoe for
, but they're increasing in the alternative venues. in the-- rouge, for example, which is a cab ar a and there are many such around the world, it's extraordinary. i started to research this and i found that literally around the world even in china to a certain extent, there are alternatives in venues. many of them have a kind of cabaret style where you can have a drink, even a sandwich while you are listening to music. and they're much less formal and much less expensive. and young people are...