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joining us every monday, he will tell us about verifone. >> verifone makes 50% of the devices that areour credit card app at the terminals. everything that happens in that area is sort of up for grabs right now. apple pay is a new way of pain. speaker doesn't apple pay get away from what verifone does? >> yes, it is different. it is done from your smartphone, but is still goes to a terminal. stuart: you like verifone part of your analysis that apple pay is a big deal and will be successful? >> apple pay will probably be ssccessful. something like it certainly will be successful. people want to pay with their phone. the merchants are trying to form their own system to take payments, there still may be other systems but one way or another people are going to be paying with their phone. the store will need new equipmmnt. credit cards themselves are getting new chips for security purposes that means retooling the terminals at the point of sales. equipment is needed, verifone benefits. >> you often say where this stock is going to go. you put out a target over the longer term. it is your ta