in vermont, the legislature decides who will be the next governor.tay with us. ♪ [music break] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. last night tuesday night during democracy now! five hour special broadcast, we spoke with independent senator bernie sanders of vermont, just as it started to become clear from early election results of the senate was clearly going to be controlled by republicans. >> what i do know is if in fact the republicans carried the senate and control the congress, as they may, i think it will be a disaster for the middle class and working families of this country. and we're just going to have to figure out how we can fight back as effectively as we can. >> what do you see as the options in case that does turn out to be the results in iowa, what do you see the options in terms of how president obama can move forward? any kind of democratic were progressive agenda in the remaining two years? >> is quite far-fetched to believe he can move the progressive agenda. i think the immediat

, i have been politically successful in vermont. i won my last race with 71% of the vote. -- is the message that i'm going to deliver, does it resonate? is there grassroots support to take on big money interest? here's what i would be telling people. a there support for investing trillion dollars into our infrastructure to create 13 million jobs? my republican friends don't support it. they talk about all the money we are spending. that iselieve necessary. we are the only country in the world it does not have a national health care program guaranteeing health care to all people. we are the only one. we spend twice as much as any other nation. is there support out there for a single-payer system, guaranteeing health care to all people? is there support for raising the minimum wage to a living wage? is there support on climate change? i believe it's real. i'm on the environmental committee. i hear from scientists all over the world. window oflimited opportunity to transform our energy system away from coal and oil and gas to energy ef

but vermont is very small state. can we -- is the message i'm going to deliver -- it doesn't resonate with people country and is there the grassroots support to take on big money? is what i would be telling people. for their support investing $1 trillion in our infrastructure to create 13 million jobs? do ll, my republican friends not support it, but i believe that is best. country in the y world that doesn't have a national healthcare program guaranteeing health care to all people. where the only one. we spentas much per capita on health care than any other nation. is their support and therefore for all e single-payer system guaranteeing health care for all people? raising ir support for the minimum wage to a living wage? issue eir support on this of climate change? i believe it is real. i hear from scientists all over the world saying we have a limited window of opportunity transform our energy system and oil and gas to energy efficiency and sustainable energy, but how many people are going to support that type of

peter sterling runs vermont leads a single payer advocacy group, and he applauds the decision not to release all the details just yet. >> it's a very complicated, complicated evident that the administration is taking, it's like turning a battleship around. >> reporter: but the administration was supposed to have revealed key details about the plan months ago and people even from his own party are beginning to complain. >> it's already like two years overdue and ahave sued for those records in superior court and my lawsuit is still pending. >> sylvia bruin is a progressive that supports single payer. but she's also a democrat that pants transparency. >> i have also tried to get the legislature to issue a subpoena demanding the plans from the governor. >> reporter: gruber's helping design those financing plans. >> profess for grooisher is using them right now. he has them and we don't. if i were doing a public records request right now, i would be asking for those plans. >> gruber has put off giving specifics about vermont's plan, as shown in this exchange a few years ago, way many cri

but there is a great coalition here in vermont of nonprofit right tohe vermont know, that was incrediblyctive. it was essentially citizens getting in touch with legislators that vermont said it was the most phone calls and contact they got about any issue. people are really passionate about the right to know what is in their food. the issue is here. it is simply about the consumers right to know. it is about transparency. and being honest some people have the right to choose what sort of foods they want to buy and feedhemselves their families. >> in the beginning, you lost. explain the argument against labeling that monsanto -- the companies used. you're not even saying anything should be banned, just that people should know. [no audio] that you should like gmo's are not like gmo's, it is simply being able to know. what giant food industry food companies, monsanto's, some of the chemical companies say, is that it will add huge costs to your food bills -- which is something not true. they spend millions of dollars trying to convince people that it is going to make your food more expensive

some not so happy vermonters. well we have no idea if our reporting had any impact. news just 24 hours later, jonathan gruber is quitting his healthcare consulting job with the state of vermont. here is what vermont senate minority leader joe benning had to say about gruber today. >> when you are coming to a group of people who are paying you a large sum of money to try to have something accomplished, and you treat them with disrespect, that leads, in my eyes, to a situation where is he not going to be credible when he tries to come into the legislature to sell whatever package he develops. >> and fox news correspondent doug mckelway is live in vermont. doug? >> hi, greta. hard to tell if this decision was long in planning or something that came up very suddenly. it came in the form of a telephone call from the governor's office. from the governor's point man on healthcare to gruber who said that he had become so toxic in effect that they could no longer work with him. under the terms of the agreement, gruber will

the gentleman from vermont. mr. welch: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. pell. -- mr. welch: first of all, i want to thank the gentleman from california. there's nothing i can add, really, to the eloquence of his remarks. and it's fitting that he made them as the person in this body who is representing the men and women of camp pendleton. i've been there. but i don't serve it. my brother served in the navy, i visited him many years ago when he was at camp pendleton, i remember then, as a very young person being awed by just the incredible display of patriotism that was embodied in that. the other thing, as i listen to you, mr. chairman, what i thought was so good about this is that a whole ethic of the military is that you're in it for everybody else. that story about thed me oofl honor winner who was in the band, before he was in the band was on a burning tank and provided covering fire at great peril to himself, that's the e

maybe something in general about the turnout in the vermont governor's race. >> vermont governor's race is going to stay in the democrats hands, but it is much closer than we anticipated. a little less than a 2% margin. vermont has a strange practice or unique practice in america where if you do not get 50% of the vote, there's not a runoff, but the legislature decides. the democratic legislature in vermont will likely select shumlin again. all throughout new england, republicans did quite well in the governor's race. they fell short in some places but did quite well. on early and absentee voting, we don't have all the numbers in. i've always been someone who is cautious and i think that caution has been borne out by trying to overpredict about early results that come in. you saw a lot of prognostication. partly those results are sort of selective. you select various times. sometimes it's true that a party really gets motivated to spend more of its resources on bringing voters to the polls. so i'm always skeptical about that. we don't know -- i don't know the final outcome of how much e

vermont will no longer honor his contract. >> i have told mr. gruber that i expect his team to complete the two work that we need to provide vermonters with a health care financing plan. i also informed mr. gruber that we will not be paying him any more for his part in completing that work. >> gruber accepted the terms, gruber's mit research associates will continue to be paid, they're paid at $100 an hour, compared to gruber's $500 an hour. gruber whether get no more of the $400,000 contract with vermont other than the $106,000 that he's already been paid. >> it provides a single payer or universal health care, it has been by most accounts a disaster and deeply divisive, that was before gruber's name became a household word. >> when you are coming to a group of people who are paying you a large sum of money to try to have something accomplished and you treat them with this respect, that leads in my eyes to a situation where he is not going to be credible when he tries to come into the legislature to sell whatever package he develops. >> even de

he has a $400,000 contract in the state of vermont. we have no idea if our reporting had any impact. but news just 24 hours later, he is quitting his health care consulting job with the state of vermont. >> when you are coming to a group of people who are paying you a large sum of money to try to have something accomplished, and you treat them with disrespect, that leads in my eyes to a situation where he is not going to be credible when he tries to come into the legislature to sell what ever package he develops. >> doug is live in vermont. >> reporter: hard to tell if this decision was long in planning or came up very suddenly. it came from the governor's point man on health care to gruber who said he had become so toxic they could no longer work with him. gruber will no longer finish the pay of his $400,000 contract. he can keep the 160,000 that he already earned. unclear whether he's going to continue to work on the contractor turn it over to his research assistants that are paid over $100 an hour. long before, the health care plan

all of the elections that i have won in vermont have been as an independent. so, that speaks to running as an independent. the problem is that the deck is really stacked against independents. you would have to spend an enormous amount of time, money, energy just getting on the damn ballot in 50 states in this country. and then, the media would probably marginalize you. and you may not be able to get into some of the debates. that's what i'm kind of weighing. but the main issue that i'm trying to figure out, and i'm going around the country talking to people, is there support for a candidacy which is really prepared to take on the billionaire class? is it, in fact, possible to do what you just said? it's easy to talk about, let's reach out to working-class tea party people. can you do it? how do you do it? how do you get the resources to do it? how do you build the grassroots organization? this is what i do believe from the bottom of my heart. in this election coming up right now, the estimate is that 60% of the people are not going to vote, 60%. >> midterm ele

>> we actually have a saying here in vermont that vermont is what america was and we demand two thingsose who are elected or appointed to official positions. one is transparency. and the other is respect. and when we don't get those things from people, we tend to get a little ornery and respond in kind. at this point this man has lost both the respect and transparency that is necessary to advance this size of a piece of social engineering. >> all right. well, your governor opposes you on this, right? >> he does. >> do you have any support in the rest of your legislature? actually having a caucus in my senate tomorrow morning to have a conversation about this. i don't know what the result will be. three of me colleagues from the house have actually sent a letter to the governor asking that he terminate the contract immediately, one other senator, kevin mullen and i have joined to ask the contract be terminated. >> who signed the contract to begin with? who signs this? >> that, i can't answer you because i wasn't in that loop well somebody signed a contract with mr. gruber. contract posm

their headquarters in vermont includes a warehouse and onsite bakery. >> it's an opportunity for us not to think about the bottom line, which, you know, is important but there are other things that are as important, the environment, our society, our community. all of our shareholders. all our stakeholders. not just the bottom line. >> king arthur pays its employees well, offers health insurance for part-timers and gives its workers a week off each year to do community service. jay rimmel says it's caused employees to think more about giving. >> there is a local haven, homeless shelter, we volunteered there. there's food shelf locally a lot of us volunteered for. people do readings for school kids. it's trickled down and pulled people into doing volunteer they wouldn't normally have thought of. >> martin philip is in charge of the bakery, a self-titled bread head, he came to king arthur from the world of investment banking. now he's proud to work for a company that cares about more than the bottom line. >> it means that we are looking at who we are within a community. it means that we ar

the presiding officer: the senator from vermont. mr. leahy: i appreciate the kind words of the majority leader. of course he and i have been friends for decades. he worked with me all the way through on the efforts of the n.s.a., spying bill, u.s.a. freedom act. we knew that we had cosponsors, republicans and democrats, went across the political spectrum. it was an effort to do what was best for america and do it at a time when we would not be under urgent deadline. most of the things that we remember amending expire on july 1 of next year. and we had a piece of legislation that began in the house of representatives by a republican chairman. we added to it here. very clear signal to the house of representatives if we passed it in the senate, they would have taken it up and passed it and we would be exercising something that would improve not only the security of americans, but also the privacy of americans and our individual liberties as americans, and we'd do it not under a deadline. so it's unfortunate that last night there was the pa

can the state of vermont get that back? joining me is vermont state senator kevin mullen. morning. what are your thoughts about gruber's role moving forward in the state of vermont at this point? this is the architect who had a lot of comments to make about the american people being stupid and having to have the wool pulled over their eyes in order for obamacare to pass? >> i think everyone in vermont is very disappointed. nobody agrees with the beliefs that have been espoused by gruber. vermont is a small state that leads an open and honest government, one that's very transparent. so people were really very, very disappointed with what has transpired with professor gruber and he certainly has set us back here in the state. >> it set you back some big change there, a lot of chunk of change. $160,000 that he's been paid so far. what should happen to that money ? >> well, it's a complicated issue because there are other people work on this project besides professor gruber. a number of his graduate students. we actually have them doing economic modeling that is pretty much co

melissa: yes, from the the statf vermont. >> 400,000 from the u.s. government and 10 other states. >> my view, he should have a lawyer to talk about this. this is wrongful termination. what did jonathan gruber -- what is his first name? melissa: jonathan. >> do but tell the truth. saying exactly what happened. he didn't lie. >> that is the problem he didn't tell the truth five years ago. >> it is not him. the president didn't tell the truth. melissa: that is fair point. i wasn't sure where charlie was going with that. >> this guy has a wrongful termination. >> he is telling truth now after being part of a conspiracy. he for years -- american people. melissa: i don't know. i agree with arm charlie. he was an economist who was hired to basically hide the truth. >> went behind closed doors. can't tell the american people -- melissa: hang on. one at a time. one at a time. >> he did not perpetrate the fraud. president obama perpetrated the fraud. >> he talked about how he designed this fraud to fool the american people. i think behind the -- >> behindbehi

(cheers and applause) you are bernie sanders from vermont, the longest serving independent in congress! (cheers and applause) >> stephen: the first self-described socialist to be elected to the senate. (cheers and applause) first of all, as a 73-year-old man, how does it feel sob the junior senator? the first shake your fist at pat lahey? >> no, he and i are pretty good friends. >> stephen: but compared to you, he is, like, rush limbaugh. he is so right wing. he's a democrat. you're a socialist! that's the boogieman of washington! do you frighten people when you walk around the capitol? are they afraid you're going to take their tractor and give it to the whole village? >> hopefully, we frighten the billionaire class. (cheers and applause) hopefully, we frighten the insurance companies (cheers and applause) because we are the only major country on earth that doesn't have a healthcare system guaranteeing healthcare to all people. >> stephen: but it's the greatest healthcare system in the world. >> please... >> stephen: tits greatest healthcare system in the world. >> you are right -- if

and greetings from beautiful vermont. >> a beautiful state. you're not kneeling too beautiful about what was thrown at you here, and the fact that maybe you wasted some money. >> well, there is definitely a concern. first off, eye not even sure as we speak whether or not the contract that we had with him is technically being terminated. that contract calls for termination0s modifications to be done in writing and executed by both sides and i do not know whether those documents exist. we're in the process of trying to find out whether they do or is not there. oar concerns about that, but you probably have other questions. >> well, one being, why now? he has done his consulting work. might have been shabby but it was done. talked about way to pitch the healthcare law but it's done. maybe you can stop future moneys coming to him but a you can't go back and get the money he was paid. >> i'm not sure when you say, it's done, whether we actually have something yet by way of a work product. what i've seen are two invoices, each invoice is asking for

every vermonter does. every vermonter feels that way. in this lifelong vermonter will not give up the fight. i owe that to the vermonters i serve and the constitution i swore an oath to defend. i would say to those both in this chamber and outside who went at this issue by fomenting fear, fomenting fear stifles serious debate and constructive solutions. that the carefully drawn reforms in this bill, doing it at the last minute is all the more regrettable. this nation deserves more than that. this nation should not allow our liberties to be set aside by passing fears. america will always face the threat of terrorist attacks both outside our borders and inside. we didn't do away with all our civil liberties after the oklahoma city bombing, even though that was an american who did that, someone who had served in our military, churchgoing, so forth. no more should we do it if the attacks come from outside our country. we talk about 9/11, we have all the evidence necessary to stop 9/11 before it happened. everybody who has looked at that now

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obviously, vermont not happy with mr. gruber? >> sure, vermont is putting together a single payor system like in canada and europe, and gruber was consulting on that. today it was announced in the legislature after three republicans had called for his contract to be canceled, that he was stepping down, gruber won't get paid by the state anymore but m.i.t. firm or the folks he works with at m.i.t. working on the issue with the state of vermont will continue working, gruber won't. cheryl: rich edson, probably no surprise they dismissed him. paid him several thousand dollars. >>> washington closely watching these markets in the last 47 minutes of trading. dow, we shall see. another big story, this could affect your christmas. the west coast port slowdown is affecting everything from the price of christmas trees to french fries, it's a big dispute, but what is going to happen if this dispute is not solved? we'll have a live report for you. >>> also the l.a. auto show kicked off today, a big focus on luxury and performance, our car gu

snow in maine, snow in vermont, new hampshire, and a little bit of snow in new york. the snow is going an inch or so probably in central park and then it's over. maybe a dusting for the parade tomorrow morning. it will look prettier than anything else. not much in the way of any significant accumulation now. this is really winding down for the airports, for the drivers. now, because it's dark, the roads are freezing up. it's been lush a lot of the day. watch out for that slushy bridge that's going to really freeze up here in the next hour or so, if it already hasn't. we've seen a lot of snow up and down the appalachians, all the way from the catskills, even up into the poconos, that you saw. the only new snow still to come will be up into maine, vermont, new hampshire, 3 to 5 more inches here. forecast radar for right now, new york city, almost off it by 10:00, it's completely gone. it's the cold behind it, very cold, but at least dry and cold. you'll be able to get home on sunday. >> and particularly good news for the people of shickshinny. thank you so much, chad my

>> the architect of obama care agreeing now to step down from his latest position in the state of vermont. the point man for health care in that state announcing gruber will no longer work on that state's plan to build a single payer system, his team at m.i.t. will continue to work with vermont, but gruber himself had agreed to accept no more money from his $400,000 contract. he had already been paid $160,000. more on that during this show. >> here's the bad news. another one or two feet more still on the way. the erie county sheriff explains the deadly conditions. >> sadly, we have to announce we found an individual today 46-year-old male in the town of aldon. car was buried under approximately 12 to 15 feet of snow, and he was found deceased. i can't comment on it much further. we are making family notifications. >> a man who was stuck with nearly 100 others vehicle on the thruway outside buffalo for nearly 36 hours and has finally just been rescued. samuel martin joins us now on his cell phone from blazedale, new york. samuel, i know that this is good news for you and you are a happy g

and why vermont's wild gubernatorial race still hasn't been resolved. >> um. i am a revolutionary nonviolent socialist. >> i consider myself what is known as a light worker. >> you are uncivilized. >> "all in" starts right now. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. if you thought last night was ugly, wait for the battle looming next between president obama and the republican majority. it was a historic midterm election for republicans yesterday. they picked up at least seven senate seats taking control of that chamber and at least 14 house seats, giving them their largest majority in the house since 1928. add 24 gubernatorial races, three statehouses picked up republicans, and you've got yourself a wave. but less than 24 hours after those victories, the capital is already gearing up for the next big fight and that will be over immigration. resummitive new senate majority leader mitch mcconnell warned the president explicitly away from taking any executive action on immigration as the president has already promised h

let's bring in howard dean and bernie sanders from vermont. i'm going to the young guy first, that would be me. just kidding. great to have you both here always. you know, these are two issues that the democrats have been well-defined on in the past. the democrats have led the charge, progressives have led the charge on climate change, no question about it. they want to do something about it. and the democrats have been very clear that immigration is something that we have to deal with. now that there has been a power shift on the legislative side what is going to change, number one, on immigration? >> well, the president made it clear, the senate in fact did the right thing. we passed immigration reform. the house has stalled and stalled and stalled. they have done nothing. and in my view what the president has to make clear, if the congress can't act for the sake of the american people he has to act. he has to act on immigration and on climate change, he has got to act on jobs on raising the minimum wage, define for the american people what

the presiding officer: the senator from vermont. mr. leahy: mr.president, of course this program does not gut it. it actually enhances it. secondly, if this was important to stop isil, isil never would have started. the fact is, we had this program way beyond anything anybody's talking about today. it didn't -- it didn't slow up or eliminate one iota isil. that is -- that's a strawman that we shouldn't even have here. it has no affect on that. everybody who's read the intelligence knows that. i'd yield three minutes to the senator from connecticut. the presiding officer: the senator from connecticut. mr. blumenthal: thank you, mr. president. i want to begin by thanking our very esteemed colleague, the chairman of the judiciary committee, senator leahy, for his leadership on this issue and my colleagues whom he has named who have helped in drafting and crafting this very important piece of legislation and to my friends and colleagues across the aisle, like the senator from utah, who have supported and helped to make clear that this bill advances th

that is stone we got from vermont. stone from all over the world. eight different states.y a little bit of the stone is actually from wisconsin. a great big dome also covered with granite. we have the only state capital to completely cover the exterior in granite. we have a statue up on top. we call her "wisconsin." on top of her helmet is a badger. we have "wisconsin" facing towards the nation's capital. she weighs over 6000 pounds. then we gave for that nice gold coat. as you look behind me, it says "legislation." artists created each of these mosaics with 100,000 pieces of colored glass. they represent the three branches of government. legislation for the legislative branch, justice for the judicial branch, government for the executive branch. ,bove us, it says liberty representing all of us that live here. stones from around the world on display right here. all of the patterned marble is from italy. all of the cream-colored marble is from france. this green stone is marble from greece. the red trim is actually marble from algeria. the building was designed by george po

vermont, wisconsin, west virginia. to help construct their exchanges. when nancy pelosi said obamacare is a jobs bill, it was certainly true for jonathan gruber. >> that's why i think we are going to see hill hearings simply because i think that this model that he was pitching to these states, there is a lot more in that model about how that was crafted exactly what went on. i think there are a lot more details going to come out. >> i think we should mention he also was the architect of romney care in massachusetts. >> that's right he was. he played a huge role in that. for all the lawmakers now to say we don't know who this guy is. >> what bothers me about that when leader pelosi said that she thinks we are are so stupid that we can't google pelosi and gruber: beginning of the end could gruber's unbelievably expensive and offensive remarks rather lead to the collapse of obamacare or is this just political news. with us is john shah -- sununu. is this just political noise or seriously something that's going to have an impact on obamacare? >> i think it

that purple area there, from just outside of albany, right through southern vermont and new hampshire. notice a lot of the big cities, we're still okay. you're still safe to drive from boston down through providence, coastal connecticut, new york city, down i-95. no problems. you'll be all right on the roads there. it's once you get up there on the new york state throughway, heading up to the highways in the new hampshire or even vermont this evening, it's going to be a difficult go. and i know you're used to driving in the snow up there. this will be a tough one because of the intensity. and there's a lot of people on the roads, too. hartford, only about 2 to 4. questionable, maybe at most up to 6. notice philadelphia and baltimore, don't expect a lot. as far as the forecast, other areas of concern today, a little bit of snow in areas of iowa. careful driving there. but overall, we're doing good throughout the rest of the country. and for thanksgiving day, it's going to be a cold and chilly one for minneapolis to chicago. i mean, really cold thanksgiving day for you. northeast, snow

>> probably the worst is vermont, new hampshire, and on up to maine.ds are re-freezing in pennsylvania, new york, as well. even though the lighter snow is there. just enough snow to make these roads turn back into ice. what we don't need. here's the snow now ending philadelphia. completely over for baltimore, d.c., and moving on up into upstate, also into the green mountains of vermont and new hampshire. there you go, d.c. just about over for you. a little bit of light shower activity, and rain showers mixing in at the very end here. but this is where it's still tough, to the western suburbs of new york city, along morristown, and also back into the poconos and catskills, and wherever it is the whitest right here, that's where the travel troubles are happening right now. a lot of the interstates are very slow. if you're trying to get to a ski resort or something up into vermont, new hampshire, it is going to be a very slow ride from here, somewhere in the neighborhood of around 30 miles per hour, erin. >> 30 miles an hour. and you're talking about 20 i

not in maine, not in vermont although that is there own weird thing. i don't know. one theory that a smart pollster friend throughout is that massachusetts and new hampshire has a lot of homegrown polling -- that is locally-based outfits that only poll massachusetts and new hampshire. it's interesting. it is always dangerous to judge a pollster by one survey and its nearly irresponsible because it has a lot to do with mailing that result. the folks who came out pretty good, "the des moines register" poll in iowa that is a homegrown locally-focus operation who got it right. my former partner charles franklin who runs the law school : wisconsin and has the governor's race right there. we can pick others. there are a lot of those in new england and new hampshire. that may be part of it. >> as a house race-lover house , democrats took an unexpected in some ways to the extent. the drubbing on tuesday night. going forward for house democrats there is a lot of , younger members of the caucus , we have heard indirectly that , they are worried about the future of the house d