with the vernon dahmer family, it is kind of interesting. vernon dahmer's father was actually a white man and he lived his whole life as a black man. very interesting, right? that was not something they told me the first time i showed up. that was the story they told me after years of beginning to trust me, but i thought was a fascinating story. i'm only giving a part of that story but it is very fascinating. vernon was the only one who stayed. the whole rest of the family moved, left mississippi. some pass for white up north, which was a whole other kind of interesting saga as well. those are the kinds of stories you find out over time, and why do you find that out? because the family trust you and you begin to share information. you have all this information and then gradually say, is this something you would be comfortable talking about in a news story? you don't instantly jump and say, hey, i'm going to do a story on this. you begin to get them to trust you. let's just take it aside from these families. usually when you talk to a source,